Posted by walto_clown on June 8, 2008 at 1:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Congrats to the FB staff for recruiting two solid players from regions where CU must regain pipelines to ensure longterm success.

Welcome to our two newest Buffs. I hope they enjoy successful and healthy senior seasons in '08, and then go on to enjoy enormous success in Black and Gold (with silver trim) once in Boulder.

Go Buffs!

Posted by flabuff227 on June 8, 2008 at 6:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Darden has the size, strength and balance to be a westbrook type receiver. He will not be a three star by the end of 2008 (barring injury). This kid looks like the real deal!

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 8, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Both have a 3.8gpa!!!!!

Posted by MDBuff on June 8, 2008 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These are good pickups. Is CU going after any 4 or 5 stars, other than Kasa? Things seem pretty hush-hush.

Posted by BuffTime on June 8, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Check out both Scout and Rivals. CU is aiming high for several 4 and 5 stars. Pretty impressive bunch actually. I don't remember this many having CU on their lists before.

If Cu has a respectable year this year we will have a top 10 class. If CU does much better than anyone expects, then we may end up with a top 5.

Posted by extrapoint on June 8, 2008 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A thrower and a catcher is a nice way to begin.
This QB has some nice stats. The best stat of all is the State championship. Wynn is a winner.

Posted by flabuff on June 9, 2008 at 6:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Didn't Jarrod Darden spend some quality time with darrel scott at the spring game? May be we should make scott our new recruiting coordinator. I wonder if Darden will be a TE in a year or two.

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 9, 2008 at 6:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would love for CU to get Kasa, Harris(CB) and the LB out of Hawaii. Those 3 alone would give us a top 10 class, the rest would be a bonus!!!!

Posted by archalon on June 9, 2008 at 7 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Te'o would be a great pickup - we can obviously wait two years for his mission with our LB corps. But it sounds like he wants to be a BYU Cougar. Understandable.

Darden is a great pickup - he should be a 4 or 5, but knowing Scout, they'll keep him at 3 because he committed to CU. He is a baller though.

I think Kasa is a Gator, but hopefully I'll be surprised by Feb. This time last year, no one thought Givens or Major would be a Buff.

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 9, 2008 at 7:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Darden and Wynn will both be 4stars by Feb. We need help on the D-line bad!!!!!!!!!

Posted by rodrigo on June 9, 2008 at 7:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anybody remember the last Buff qb to come from Oceanside (same town, different high school)?

Posted by archalon on June 9, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rodrigo - Darian Hagan ?

Posted by walto_clown on June 9, 2008 at 7:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Robert Hodge was from that neck of the woods.

Posted by rodrigo on June 9, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage...

Man, 20 years ago but, if you read the article so many of the same issues resonate.

Posted by MDBuff on June 9, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CU has been picked to win the national championship this year - see http://www.bleacherreport.com/article...

Posted by walto_clown on June 9, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That was cute, MD--what a bunch o' clowns (we can spot our own). I added my 2 cents.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on June 9, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

check Hawk's 3rd year record at Willamette and Boise and you tell me if its so far off. When we dismantle WVU, the rest of the country will be shakin in their cleets

Posted by skipples4u on June 9, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

what? no comments from Tall? I guess his mamma always told him if he doesn't have anything negative to say, don't say anything at all.

Posted by ChicagoBuffsFan on June 9, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I love that guy!

Posted by s.gruenler on June 9, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wasn't the kid from Oceanside the late great Sal Anuse? sorry if I spelled it wrong.

Posted by walto_clown on June 9, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Correct, sir. Rodrigo posted the link. I still maintain that San Clemente is close enough to Oceanside to count Robert Hodge. Same height as Cody, though if I remember correctly, he threw a lot less.

Posted by DCBuff on June 9, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I really like both of these kids. I have a feeling the Buffs will have another stellar recruiting class. Just wait, the commitments will start pouring in after we destroy WVU on national TV!!

Posted by rodrigo on June 9, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Walto,

Your SoCal geographic knowledge is probably better than mine...

I have no idea why I remember Oceanside is where Aunese was from but when I read it's Wynn's hometown too it struck like lightening.

Kudos, s.gr.

Posted by skipples4u on June 9, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

from April 20 article:

Colorado's prized running back recruit Darrell Scott attended the spring game, but didn't get to see much of it. Scott spent much of his time in Folsom Field on Saturday interacting with fans and signing autographs.

Scott, who is expected to challenge for a starting job, or, at least, considerable playing time, also spent the afternoon sitting with Jarrod Darden, a lanky wide receiver from Fort Worth, who came to Boulder to check out the program.

"We need him," Scott said.

I LOVE THIS KID. hasn't even put on the black and gold uni and he is already making an impact with recruiting. if scott says "we need him" looks like Darden listened!!!!!!!

Posted by walto_clown on June 9, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...and so did Bryce Givens.

Posted by archalon on June 9, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you like that, how about the new 2009 QB recruit already recruiting in his area for us when he hasn't even signed yet?

Hawks family oriented, team-first atmosphere is paying off in recruiting

Posted by skipples4u on June 9, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

what did bryce givens do? and just so i'm clear, are other recuits that have committed allowed to contact potential recuits to get them to come? It would seem like a violation based on how lame the NCAA is, but im not sure. Let me know. Thanks!

Posted by skipples4u on June 9, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

archalon, what do you know about jordon Wynn alrady recuiting for us? what have you heard, and what prospects?

Posted by archalon on June 9, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From Yahoo sports:

The Buffs have also offered Wynn's teammate, offensive lineman Brian Schwenke. "I told the Colorado coaches that I am starting to recruit him and James Johnson, from Valley Center," Wynn said. "I am going to just start calling up everyone and try to recruit them to Colorado."

Posted by flabuff on June 9, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That is what we need kids recruiting other kids.

Posted by skipples4u on June 9, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thats huge! I like this kid already!!!!!
anyone else excited about having marquis simas, J-Fly and Scotty in the slot (wes welker style) to go along with the pouding backs of Sumler D-Scott and Ray Ray????? sounds like a solid offense and I havent even added The TE position into the mix

Posted by clbuff on June 9, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To pull a quote from Major League "Its starting to all come together Pepper".

Posted by walto_clown on June 9, 2008 at 10:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Skipples4u, Bryce Givens apparently received a call from D. Scott last year (December, I think) encouraging him to switch his loyalty from nebraska to CU.

Posted by geedub on June 10, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

more info on Jordan Wynn
http://tinyurl.com/3v2cdn

Posted by walto_clown on June 10, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Great link, Dub. It might be worthwhile for fans to use the link to welcome our new recruit, and let Mr. Wynn, and his broader Oceanside community know the Buffs are excited to see this Californian on the field in the years to come.

Posted by skipples4u on June 10, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

walto- thats right, I do remember hearing something about that. nice comment on Jordan Wynn article.

Posted by SnowBuff on June 10, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That site is a spy site, it got my virus protection all up in arms....

But ya, Lets hope this kid tears it up this fall and gains even more stature to recruit with!

Posted by Saheeb on June 10, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's early, of course, but I wonder how the 2008 recruits are faring in trying to get their buddies to come to CU, like Rippy's huge O-line teammate, Katoa's buddy Martinez, another O-line stud and what happened to Kaufusi...? Per the two 2009 commits, gotta love they both have 3.8 GPAs. No admissions issues there and bodes well in terms of character (usually).

Posted by walto_clown on June 10, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Kaufusi completed his work and committed to Utah. He recently landed himself in a little legal trouble and Utah suggeted that he wouldn't be welcome there anymore. I'm not sure he's been convicted of anything, or what the circumstances might have been. After Katoa's challenges, I'm not sure he'll be able to convince Martinez to be a Buff, but Utah may suddenly look less appealing to the family after they rejected a teammate so quickly.

I'm rooting for Rippy's Ohio buddy to find his way to Boulder!

Concur on GPA.

Posted by skipples4u on June 10, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

if kaufusi isn't going to be convicted, and is able to play, why not bring him in? I read the story and it was wrong place wrong time sort of deal where he and his buddies were being harrassed by cops and he admitted that the stuff in the car was his to keep his buddies out of trouble thinking that there was only some beer in the car, turns out there was a gun also that he did not know about.

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 10, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Katoa's buddy is going to USC, if not LSU and UCLA are next in line

Posted by Saheeb on June 10, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the info guys. Well, I would say we dodged a bit of a bullet in terms of PR, etc. if Kaufusi already got in trouble, regardless of the circumstances. The "protecting buddies" rationale seems to get a lot of ball players in trouble everywhere. There were flags Kaufusi might/would have issues. It's better we didn't get dragged into some negative headlines over him.

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 10, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just saw the updated list for the top 250 prospects for this year and there is not a lot of interest for the buffs on it. I know it is early and I have more faith in Hawk then I do in Rivals but it would have been nice to see at least one of the top 250 have CU rated as their #1 school

Posted by extrapoint on June 10, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ahem
the senior season is still 3 montha away from even starting. It is a full 8 months to signing day. Most of these kids are 16 years old. Think they will change their minds between now and then? Duh!
If anyone can change their mind it is Hawk
I firmly believe early commits are shaky. The more time these kids have to think about it, the more likely they will change their mind.

Posted by skipples4u on June 10, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i would agree, unless you are a guy like wynn, if you are that stoked to pull the trigger, that you commit as soon as the hawk offers,you have black and gold in your heart. Ill be he hates nebraska already.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 10, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Last year we only had two kids change their mind, that i can recall. Josh Berard and corey surrency. Berard changed his mind because of all the talent that committed after him. The fact of the matter is these kids will change their minds no matter what time of the year it is. I agree that it is early and these kids are more likely to change their minds than kid that commits in january.

this doesnt mean you have to be a killjoy. Stop being pessimistic and let people be excited

Posted by extrapoint on June 10, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

killjoy?
I was trying to view the bright side to shoulder's post.
Boulder and Hawk are a cut above most other places and coaches. I certainly believe fewer kids will change their mind about CU than most other places.
.....and I am certainly delighted about the 2 commits.

BTW where did Surrency wind up? Fla State? I heard academics might hve been an issue with him as well.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 10, 2008 at 7:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My fault! Yes, surrency ended up at fsu i am sure academics were an issue he was jc. Josh berard, I cant remember if he went to kansas or k-state, probably k-state aka junior college U.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 10, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I checked the rivals 250 and there were 15-20 kids that have the buffs on their list. Im sure ther are more, but i wasnt going to click on every player. Click on the players that are from wher we typically recruit. Cali,tex,ariz,utah,tenn,hawaii

Posted by extrapoint on June 10, 2008 at 9:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick Kasa is one that immediately comes to mind.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 10, 2008 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

edward nuckols,craig roh,keenan davis,shaquelle evans,eric gordon,xavier fluailo (weird name i know i didnt spell it right), manti teo, daniel jenkins, cliff harris doesnt have buffs on his list on rivals but does on scout, so who knows. there are definitely more.

Posted by extrapoint on June 10, 2008 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does Harris have any connections with anyone currently or previously a Buff?

I would consider him and Kasa as the primary targets on defense.

Posted by extrapoint on June 10, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Also
what is up with Donnie Jennert?
This guy is 6-8 and runs a sub 4.5 forty. Every report I have read on every camp or combine he has attended he has tore it up. So far, he only has an offer from CSU.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 10, 2008 at 11:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iVE NEVER HEARD OF jennert. Wher is he from and what position? It could be academics.

I dont think harris has ties to colorado. I could be wrong.

There is a kid out of denver name kendall gregorie- mcgee, a big wr. His stock is rising. He is also knavis mcgee's son or nephew i cant remember which.

Posted by walto_clown on June 11, 2008 at 1:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He's the son of the Colorado legend and grandson of the nebraska runningback (and former CU runningback coach). He has an offer from CU. Sadly, he attended camp last year at nebraska (?!)

Posted by extrapoint on June 11, 2008 at 7:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jennert is a WR out of Glenwood Springs and Fla before that. Darden at 6-5 and Jennert at 6-8 on either side and Tallisall would be soiling his pants.

Posted by archalon on June 11, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Buffs targets in Rivals 250:
5. Devon Kennard
7. Manti Te'o
25. Gabe Lynn
37. Michael Philipp
84. Deandre Coleman (does not have offer)
94. Nick Kasa
96. Jemari Roberts
117. Cliff Harris
118. Xavier Su'a Filo
142. Eric Gordon
152. Keenan Davis
158. Corey Gaines
163. Bradley Battles
173. Emory Blake
202. Craig Roh
236. Bernard Bolden
246. Edward Nuckols (will probably not qualify)
248. Brandon Sermons

Posted by rodrigo on June 11, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I might be mistaken, but I don't think Rivals lists schools in order of preference unless a kid has given a verbal. Looks more alphabetical to me. Scout lists an interest level - low, medium, high - but still no sense of what school is leading the pack.

So it's all informed speculation at this point.

Regardless, those lists, as well as all the top 100, 150, 250 lists will bounce around more than the stock market between now and signing day.

For what it's worth, an interesting article on the whole recruiting thing...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recrui...

Posted by extrapoint on June 11, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

based on our needs I'll take Kasa and Harris as the top 2. After that the next best DE after Kasa.

Posted by extrapoint on June 11, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall
can you tell me which stocks I should sell short?
I'll bet you are also the guy who tipped off the feds about the bacteria in the tomatoes.

Posted by skipples4u on June 11, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

how raw and clumsy can you be, when the #1 running back recuit is saying "we need him"? answer me that small sail

Posted by walto_clown on June 11, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall-is-all! Where've you been?

You, with your glass always half empty. I read the same report as you, regarding Darden. The report said ten positive things, mostly about his tremendous hands, his size and his deceptive speed. You managed to pick out the one negative statement (routes), fabricate another (clumsy) and misrepresent a third (raw). Coaches don't mind raw players. It permits them to mold them, and more often than not it suggests far higher potential.

Don't be such a stranger.

Posted by rodrigo on June 11, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's the recruiting report on tall:

Intellectually not all there. Tends to repeat himself. Angry individual who gains self-esteem by attacking others (especially the Hawkins family). Capable of being clever on occassion but typically displays clumsy wit. Hard to see how he'll ever overcome his animosity to say anything credible.

By the way, the vids I saw on Darden showed him repeatedly outrunning dbs and/or breaking numerous tackles on his way to the endzone.

Posted by skipples4u on June 11, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I saw that video to radrigo, looked like this kid was rad, maybe its just me but when you're going up, coming down ith the ball, bouncing off people and darting into the endzone, you likely have skills! that or he is a High School kid playing pop warner. seeing as though he plays in TX, id bet he had plenty of quality DB's.

Posted by rodrigo on June 11, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah, the genius of tall. Nebraska's recruits, none of whom rates a 77, "will be fine." Colorado's, however, are highly suspect and "could," assuming the stars align, become college-level players.

I'm assuming tall earns his keep:
1) doing something other than analyzing college recruits
2) doing something other than coaching football (at any level above Pop Warner)
3) doing something other than analyzing football (at any level above Pop Warner)
4) mowing his folks' lawn in exchange for a bed in the basement.

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 11, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

These ratings are amaizing! scout has cliff harris as the #1 CB in the country and a top 20 prospect and rivals has him #117?? We have about 18 scholarships to offer this year and I hope about 8 of them go to the D-line and Secondary! The QB looks good, but not sure we needed another qb…we will have 4 legitimate qbs this year. We could have taken a year off on qbs and then gone after a top notch qb in 2010. I hear Mullen has a very good qb who is a jr. this year

Posted by bouldabuff on June 11, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Shoulder - what happens when that top notch QB in 2010 doesn't pan out? That's why you grab at least one QB every cycle.

Posted by DCBuff on June 11, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with bouldabuff...I don't us in the same QB situation as UCLA has this season. But I would like to see most of the recruiting effort go towards the D-line and secondary.

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 11, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

boulda- You still have the qbs you signed in 06,07 and 08!!! If you miss out on a top level qb in 2010 you can always sign a qb ranked anywhere between the 54th & 76th best qb in the country.. if you take a year off of recruiting qbs it opens a small gap that may look better to a top 10 qb!

Posted by SnowBuff on June 11, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall= Concern Troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet...
A concern troll is a pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.[10]
DNFTT

I would much rather have solid depth at QB than need a miracle recruit to save the program. Those recruits do not always arrive! Do not forget Hodge!!! He cost us so dearly in 2002....

Its good to get the QB out of the way. A solid recruit who is a "winner" that has some time to develop. Darden is a great pickup for his size alone. If he really is a bit slow perhaps he can bulk up and become a TE? Who cares, his highlight video showed that he will FIGHT for and come down with those balls.

Now to the DL and the Secondary! KASA!

Posted by archalon on June 11, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All the ratings and list are highly suspect at this point anyway. As stated previously, the season is months away. Wynn could have a monster year and unseat Brehault or the other Cali QB's tops in the state Darden could suddenly be reshuffled in someone's list to a top 20 guy. Who knows and really what does it matter ?

both are good players with potenial and will be productive at CU. Re: QB's, of course you take one every cycle. Its nonsense that a gap would look good to a top 10 player. Top players dont shy from competition. Look at USC. They dont take a year off recruiting a position.

Every cycle should have minimum 1 QB,2 RB+WR, a handful of OL+DL, 2-3 LB+DB. Fill in the rest with need

BTW - whatever happend to Ed Tinker and when are we going to be able to offer more than 18 schollie's ? Seems every year with offer 18 while Texas, Bama etc over 23 and more

Posted by rodrigo on June 11, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

holy cow! There's a clinical explanation for tall's behavior? That's awesome... thanks Snow...

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 11, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

USC didn't take a QB last year and that was a MAJOR factor in them getting Barkley (#1 qb in the nation by all accounts) this year. It created a gap that by his red shirt soph year he should have experience plus a more clear path to start for 3 yrs. I just think it would make since to maybe space it out once in awhile. Maybe only recruit 4qbs every 5yrs. You still have plenty of depth and have a better chance at getting that special qb

Posted by baBUFF on June 11, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My personal belief is that tall doesn't actually believe half the things he says, but he enjoys mixing it up and getting a rise out of everyone here. I can't blame him and frankly as much as tall aggravates us, we would all miss him if he went away. These discussions would get pretty boring if we all just agreed with eachother all the time and had no devil's advocate to stir the pot.

By the way Tall, I wouldn't worrk about Darden's lack of speed. Cody's weak arm will allow Darden to catch up to all those floaters he throws, right?

Posted by archalon on June 11, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll continue to disagree with you Shoulder. Barkley practically committed to USC as a soph and look at USC's depth chart. Not getting a QB last year wasnt intended to impress a 17 year old with a promise of playing time

Besides Palmer, Leinart, Booty, Sanchez - yeah, they all waited for a hole in a depth chart to go there. Sure......

Troll-is-all - there is no thought police here and you are a troll obsessive with hate for anything related to both Hawkins', eternal pessimism about the program, and an unnatural predilection for height, which I attribute to some personality disorder you may have.

Posted by archalon on June 11, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW Shoulder - USC offerd Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, Mike Paulus, Aaron Corp, Peter Lalich,Dayne Crist, Russell Sheppard and recruited but didnt offer Ryan Mallett in recent years. And those are just the 4-5 star recruits.

Sure sounds like a program waiting for a savior at QB. That and they are already recruiting 3 qbs for 2010-11.

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 11, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Arch- read Barkleys comments, he said it played a big factor, it showed the coaches were commited to him..Not saying I agree with the logic, just the way some kids think. They want a chance to play early and not having someone in the class ahead of them makes that a little easier!! Why do you think a 5star wr picked southern Miss last year or Mike Glennon is going to NC State. It is not the only factor but a big factor!!!

Posted by rodrigo on June 11, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No thought police here, tall. We love watching you wipe egg off your face!

Posted by archalon on June 11, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

See my last post - would you feel the commitment ?

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 11, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you don't think kids think this way, even top notch players and quality kids think back just a couple of months. Wasn't this board filled with worried buff fans, Jamal Charles left early and all reports said D. Scott would be going to Texas because there was less quality competition because Charles left?!?!

Posted by archalon on June 11, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Im not shouting you down, your pessimism is evident in your posts. More then anything Id appreciate a more thoughtful rhetoric from you.

Reading your posts would have one believe CU is a horrible program with no future that cant recruit or win more than 3 games this year.

Posted by archalon on June 11, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shoulder - when was the last time CU hung its hopes on a highly rated HS QB and what was the result ?

I think he quit and went to Montana

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 11, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I might puke typing this, but for the first time in my life i might agree with one of Talls post.

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 11, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

arch- don't even get us started on Craig O...You don't think Tall aka Barnett had something to do with Craig's downfall?? With that same logic we should have never gone after D. Scott because the last time we got the best RB in the country it failed as well!!!

Posted by archalon on June 11, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Barney had plenty to do with Craig Duh-Oh's downfall. Brian "Snow' White's too, though most of that was self destructive.

My point is that no recruit - Barkley, Scott, etc - is more important than the health of the program and that health starts with recruiting

Posted by extrapoint on June 11, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

didnt Barney lay the entire blame for a loss to CSU on Ochs?

Is Ochs in Europe or Canada? I doubt if he is riding an NFL bench somewhere

Posted by rodrigo on June 11, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't you all suppose the development (or not) of Wynn, Tyler Hansen, Ballenger and, yes, Cody will have a lot to do with how hard CU goes after a top-flight qb in 2010?

I can see both sides of the argument... but 2010 is a ways away, no? Say Hansen redshirts this year, and Wynn does next...

Then there's the issue of how the program progresses. Whatever the scenario, if a top qb in the country is chomping to play for the Buffs, do you turn him away? Hardly.

Only time will tell... Pretty cool debate though. Beats tall-baiting anyday.

Posted by baBUFF on June 11, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For those still interested (tall), the Raiders cut Brian White today. Maybe he can find work with Sam Keller in the arena league.

Posted by baBUFF on June 11, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow those are interesting factoids. Did you know the human head weighs 8 pounds? What's your point?

Are you suggesting Brian White and Sam Keller are the next Unitas and Warner? That is a bold statement even from you. You going to back that up in a couple years when White is the assistant golf coach at Whocares St. University with Ryan Leaf and Keller is a quarterback coach at North Omaha middle school?

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 11, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would just love to see the day that we beat out Oklahoma, USC, Florida, Michigan, Tenn, Ohio State etc... for a top notch QB, we have done it at RB, OL, LB, recently and I hope we do it this year on the DL, WR and Secondary I trust that hawk and crew will get it done!!! We were on Barkley's top 10 list, I guess it is a start.

Posted by baBUFF on June 11, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As much as I don't want to believe it, I think there probably is some truth to the notion that top notch QBs may be scared away until Cody graduates. Cody is a stud and deserves to be the starter, but if I'm a teenager trying to find a place where I can be THE guy, it has to cross your mind. At the very least it's a HUGE bullet for other teams to use against us in recruiting these blue-chip QBs.

I 100% believe Hawk is going to play the best guy no matter what his last name is - but an 18 year old blue-chipper is being fed truck-loads of BS every day and has to sort through it all. Even when Hawk is genuinely telling a prospect that "the best guy plays, period!" there is probably a littel voice in that kids head that says "come on, you're joking me - no way a coach will bench his own son". Not saying they're right, but I have to believe it's going through their mind.

Who didn't play on a team as a kid and watch the coach's son get some kind of preferential treatment. Hawk is not that coach, but I wouldn't be surprised if these teenagers don't want to take that chance.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 11, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that we all read into the star ratings way to much. there are always gona be the "cant misses out of every class. A lot of times 5 pounds, 1", a couple hundenths of a second , a couple years experience is what separates a 3 star from a 4 star, and 4 star from 5 star.

Posted by extrapoint on June 11, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We have what sounds like a fine qb in this recruiting class. When the next class rolls around, Cody, if he is still the starter, (listen to Tall shriek) will have 2 more years. I dont think that scenario would scare away to many potential qb's. Few start their freshman year anyway. Look at Clausen, supposedly the best qb in his class, struggling away.
So far Cody looks better than Clausen if nothing else in his first year w/l record.

Posted by extrapoint on June 11, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Brian White's lead feet probably got him mauled in practice by the Raiders happy D-linemen and linebackers.
Arena league?
I'll bet after that experience he quits football alltogether

Posted by flabuff227 on June 11, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

how is warner and unitas relevant to anything that has been discussed in this forum?

claussen is going to underachieve just like his brother did. I think he is being coaced by powlus. king of underachievers.

Posted by baBUFF on June 11, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're correct that most don't start their first year, but that doesn't mean they don't want to or don't think they can. Tebow played as a frosh, and so did Matthew Stafford and those are at big-time SEC schools. The prospect of early playing time can draw in big recruits.

Clausen was terrible this year, but that whole team was a train wreck, I'm not about to throw in the towel on him yet, he's got plenty of time to be a great player.

I won't take away anythnig from our QB recruits, Hansen, Ballenger, Wright, and Wynn all look like great pickups and stand up kids, so no complaints from me whatsoever. All I'm saying is we'll have a better chance at landing the Matt Barkley's of the world the closer Cody gets to graduation.

Posted by extrapoint on June 11, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shoot
Tall thinks Hansen, Ballenger, and even Hypolite are better qbs than Cody. We are truly blessed.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 11, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

accoording to scout edward nuckols is high on the buffs along with asu. Im afraid asu might have the edge. His teammate from last year went to the sun devils.

If academics is an issue, i would assume he has time to get that under control. Nuckols is 6'3 300 pounds

Posted by SnowBuff on June 11, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As far as waiting for a "top flight" QB, Two things need to happen.

1. Cody needs to get a little closer to graduating.
2. We need to win more games and go from "potential" up and coming to "definite" up and coming. Not to the level of a USC or OSU, but definitely back to where people expect CU to mix it up every year.

There is NO need to skip a year's recruiting of a QB. Depth is KEY to consistent winning. Ryan Mallet went to Michigan knowing he would sit for a least one year behind a certain 2nd round NFL draft pick.

Basically, an Elite QB would be nice, but I would take a stable of competent to good QB's over a program dependent on one elite QB anyday. No point failure sources!!!

Posted by SnowBuff on June 11, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As for Tall, I have seen an evolution from you lately. Either you finally grew bored of mentioning Hawk's height, or his play was good enough to finally shut you up.

However, as it stands, the majority of your writing has been pure troll, meant only to disagree, distort, and spread pessimism. So keep working and I might believe you are a real Buff fan. Then again, you did go "bow hunting" for a week after that OU game, something pretttttty odd to those who remember it.

However, as soon as the Buffs lose a game due to a mistake anywhere on the team, you will no doubt go back to wishing for Barnett in a public manner.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 11, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think his most recent bowhunting extravaganza was due to the fact that the buffs landed a couple recruits.

Not too long before they committed we was bashing the buffs for not having any.

As far as tals evolution.. well, i dont ever want to hear him praising the buffs or their players. Theres nothing i cant stand more than fairweather fan.

Posted by MDBuff on June 11, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

See Rivals 100 at http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008.... Lots of WRs have CU high on their lists.

Posted by extrapoint on June 11, 2008 at 7:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thanks for the link MDBuff
I noticed the No 5 guy is a defensive end (Kinnard) with Colorado on his list. More amazing is that Kasa was 96th! Overall there are not many DEs on the list.....7 alltogether?
Would it be too much to ask for to get both Kinnard and Kasa?

Posted by extrapoint on June 11, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I went back to the list again to scope out DB's. Almost every one in the top 50 are committed already except the No. 25 guy, Gabe Lynn who has Colorado on his list.
The comment only speaks of him as a kick returner. I think Stewart may have that job taken. As the 25th best player in the country, he must have some coverage skills too.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 11, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Go back to that link because they offer video on him. This kid can really lay the wood. As a tackler he reminds me of billingsley.Looks like he has cover skills as well. he could probably play safety at the next level as well.

As far as the description they give, its just a lazy one.

Posted by archalon on June 12, 2008 at 6:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Old article, with a familiar face. Not a bad list to be on

http://uga.rivals.com/content.asp?CID...

Posted by extrapoint on June 12, 2008 at 7:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

good link.....
and Tall's que
I wonder what time the sun creeps in his basement window?

Posted by flabuff227 on June 12, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

gee tal.... I dont think anybody knows that we are in need of d linemen and d backs. Thank you for stating the obvious.

EP- His parents boarded up the basement windows so he doesnt sneak out anymore. They are tired of the late night phone calls from neighbors, complaining about him peaking through their windows.

Posted by extrapoint on June 12, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

funny thing too
there wasnt a qb on either side of the ball over 5'10"

Posted by flabuff227 on June 12, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

then hes hitting his linemen just above the butt. Your arguement has been that hawkins cant be good because of his heighth. Oh well maybe he could be if he was a full inch taller. c'mon

Posted by baBUFF on June 12, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He'll get a fair shot, and will still probably not get the job. Cody is still more effective at moving the ball and scoring points. The spring game showed us all that Ballenger just isn't quite ready yet.

He'll get another chance in the fall, but he's got some ground to make up because Cody is just flat out better right now.

Posted by archalon on June 12, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

".....Cody's height (or lack of) did hinder his performance quite often and reduced the playbook to end arounds and short outlet passes in the backfield."

Gee, and I thought dropped passes, coaching, inexperience on both sides of the ball, slow DB's and no pass rush had alot more to do with the team's record than one player's height.

You know you're wrong, you just want to beat a dead horse

Posted by archalon on June 12, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ballenger's just not good enough to take the job - if he was 5'11', Tall wouldn't be clamoring for him.

Wait - is tallisall Ballenger ? Hmm, all the later has is height too.

Posted by choderlos1741 on June 12, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Since we didn't throw short outlet passes to the backs much last year, I'm at a loss as to how cody's height forced us to throw them. And Cody's height forced us to run end arounds? How? Was Cody tall enough to hand the ball to a wr but too short to hand to a running back? I wonder how Hugh Charles ran over oklahoma last year then, or how cody beat oklahoma by throwing to, you know, wr's and te's. Or maybe the o-line did a good job pass blocking that game? Maybe no qb is tall enough to throw over guys who are right in his face with outstretched arms?

And maybe we consider you a troll because you come on every discussion board, no matter what the topic is, and bash Dan and Cody Hawkins. Movie reviews? Dan Hawkins. Story on kitty cat stuck in a tree? Stupid joke about Cody Hawkins. Story about basketball recruiting? Raving about how wonderful Sam Bradford is, and how cody Hawkins is too short for the basketball team to get recruits. Take a deep breath, small. Count to ten. Now look at yourself. Look at your posts. YOU WERE COMPARING BRIAN WHITE TO JOHNNY UNITAS!!!! There's a special kind of stupid, and it has a special kind of look. And right now, I'm guessing its wearing crimson and cream.

Posted by skipples4u on June 12, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

archalon- I like it. quality stuff there. I agree, I highly double ballanger will beat out C-HAWK for the job. Cody is a solid QB,he makes good decisions and his throws are accurate. Not to mention it looked like he got a whole ton stronger int he off season by the look of some of his throws in the spring game. Plus the no huddle lots of shot gun will help (as it does with chase daniel!. I believe I heard an announcer say last year saying that if daniel was 6" then I am 7"..... tall you are a joke of a person, you don't belong on this blog or anyones blog, we are all dumber for our interactions with you. you offer nothing but crass, raw, horrible analysis that is designed to get under the skin of others, quite frankly if you are a "buff fan" as you sometimes claim to be, I ASK YOU TO PICK A NEW TEAM because you are not wanted in the black and gold clad.

Posted by baBUFF on June 12, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CU running end arounds had nothing to do with Cody's height, it was an attempt to put the ball into the hands of our speedy receivers to see if they can make a play and to use some misdirection since we had youth on the line and were playing teams with a lot of team speed on defense. The problem was that we were not very effective setting it up and the defense often knew it was coming.

I like the move to the no huddle to keep defense off balance, and to tire them out. At the end of the Oklahoma game, it was clear that the Sooner defenders were gassed - hands on their hips gasping for the thin mountain air after every play. It allowed us to dictate the pace and ultimately win the game.

That's good strategy and good coaching.

Posted by extrapoint on June 12, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hmmmm
Tall has it all figured out for us. Brian White is Johnny Unitas (the Raider staff is just too dumb to realize it) and we can win the NC by geting that chinese center (Yao Ming?)for the Houston Rockets to be our QB.

Posted by SnowBuff on June 12, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks tall for restoring my sense of order about you.

Your end around argument makes absolutely no sense. A does not lead to B.... But whatever.

As to the person who noted that CHawk looks to have "buffed" up a little, I agree. Pittman is gonna make him a BEAST given time. He was definitely looking young and skinny (like, say, a kid only a year out of HS, not all of us finish maturation at age 16 or even 18) last year. This year? Solid. Very solid.

Posted by baBUFF on June 12, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I watched the games smart guy and I agree that we ran a lot of end arounds, I just disagree on the reasoning. You don't need to be 6'4" to throw over the line especially from the shotgun.

I also disagree that a highlight reel could make Baylor look good, that's just absurd.

Posted by baBUFF on June 12, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know about a BEAST (genetics don't seem to be working in his favor as far as size goes), but it would be great if he could add 15-20 #s of muscle and build that arm strength. He's not fast anyway, so he might as well put on as much beef as his body can handle so he can sling the rock.

Posted by choderlos1741 on June 12, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We ran end arounds, and more importantly, faked end arounds, to get the defense slanting to wrong way and give our inexperienced line as easy a block to execute as possible(an influence block). If the middle of the field was "a poor option for the pass" then we would have run bootlegs and rollouts all year, not ran misdirection running plays. So yeah, I watched the games last year. I've watched a lot of football games. You might want to lay off the thunderbird, tall, you might understand the game more when you watch them. And when the current crop of young linemen like Ryan Miller and Max Tuoiti-Mariner have matured, and Cody has gained more experience, and when Darrell Scott is running all over guys in red jerseys, and when Josh Smith and Marques Simas are taking bows in the end zone, you might not be so confused.

Posted by Black_Rob on June 12, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen Skip

Posted by BuffTime on June 12, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Too bad there aren't any youtube videos to make you look good huh Tall?

Posted by baBUFF on June 12, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Even a blind squirel finds a nut every once in a while. 2 plays in an entire season. Their 2007 team highlight video must sell for about a nickel since it's only 45 seconds long.

Posted by BigBuff on June 12, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think tall is Katie Hnida.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on June 12, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cody is gonna lead the Buffs to 10 wins this year....I can feel it!

2-0 nuf said
WVU overrated and overconfident
FSU depleted
Texas - call it OU2
Kansas - should have beaten them last year, will get it done this year
Mizzou - can't lose 55-10 at home and think we're gonna beat em on the road - loss
T A&M and OSU, call it another sweep of the south
the rest of the north aint got nothing but huskers referees

Posted by SnowBuff on June 12, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That is one hell of a prediction. I will be happy with a bowl game. Not to worried about our O if the Oline simply plays decently, but our D...

Posted by bufffan8 on June 12, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall - c'mon now. Have you ever coached football or even closely watched a game? You run certain pays to set up future plays. Look at the Sprague TD catch against OU. They faked the end around and caught OU off balance. The Buffs ran it so much earlier in the game that when OU saw it coming again they jumped on it. They got fooled badly (even with a defensive mastermind like Stoops). That left Sprague wide open for a TD. You run plays, see how the defense reacts and then set up future plays based on the defensive scheme against them. Stopps D got caught and they lost the game. Maybe even got out coached. The other key play in the game was Dizon's sack on 3rd and long. Funny, our 6ft LB sacked the OU 6'4" QB even though our slow DBs couldn't keep up with the OU receivers. Hmmm. Go figure.

Posted by SnowBuff on June 12, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You sure are a Buff fan. You just compared us to Stanford and App state...

Posted by extrapoint on June 12, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Darrel Scott was recruited to open the offense up.
When the opposing D has to worry about him, Cody will get a little more time. Tall will find it increasingly difficult to gripe and continue his hidden agenda.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on June 12, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

read it again, CODY will lead this team to 10 wins, its all about football smarts and this guy is a genius

KSU was a collapse, won't happen at Folsom

I predicted MU is a loss

ASU is unbeatable in August at home and not on the schedule, say goodnight to your NC dreams, dawgs

FSU can't field an entire team until suspensions expire in 2011 or so

J_fly dropped a pass in the fourth that would have gone for 6 and propelled the buffs to a 2 point win over KU

Posted by buffalo_flyer on June 12, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fyi, tall aka husker_bieb

App State is a 3 time National Champion in a league where you have to win it on the field, I'd say that makes them a pretty decent team

Posted by bufffan8 on June 12, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall - you asked why we ran the end around so much. The OU game was a perfect example of how it can work. The other games were lost for various reasons: MU - we gave up 55 pts. Not going to win too many games when you give up 55 pts. A key to the KU loss was Hugh Charles ridiculous fumble where it looked like he was trying to roll the ball forward. ASU - several perfectly thrown balls dropped. One in the end zone and one for a first down that Patrrick "Hands of Stone" Williams dropped at a key point in the game. You get my point. Very few games were lost because Cody was at QB or the play calling was poor. Except maybe ISU. Coaching lost that game. We couldn't open it much against FSU either.

Posted by GoldenBoy on June 12, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just learned Wynn Tore his ACL two days ago...

Posted by flabuff227 on June 13, 2008 at 12:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

buff fly- That was a great point . If j-fly would have caught that ball. it would have been a win.

Cody threw those balls with precision. j- fly had a case of alligator arms.

against nebraska he made the exact same throw to charles.well he scored. both of those throws are not easy to make.

Posted by archalon on June 13, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"KSU was a collapse, won't happen at Folsom
I predicted MU is a loss
ASU is unbeatable in August at home and not on the schedule, say goodnight to your NC dreams, dawgs
FSU can't field an entire team until suspensions expire in 2011 or so
J_fly dropped a pass in the fourth that would have gone for 6 and propelled the buffs to a 2 point win over KU"

Flyer - are you my long lost twin ? Agreed on all points, though even a true fan like me thinks 10 wins is a stretch. I hope your right.

If you also recall, some poor play calling in the running game and bad shotgun snaps cost us against FSU, Celestine's end zone drop early against ASU hurt us badly and you're dead on about J-Fly's drop. That is one game I wished they had pulled out

I still think WVU is a coming out party, KU and MU will split somehow and Texas at home is possible to win, but 50-50 at this point. It all depends on the man-child, D-Scott. If he is the real deal, CU will surprise many.

One thing I question: the shot gun hurry up stuff. I do not think they will run it nearly as much as it seems they could. Call it a hunch, but I think you'll still see plenty of 1 and 2 back sets behind maulers such as Miller.

Posted by rodrigo on June 13, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hard to believe, but on this topic alone t has outdone rswright in the copy-paste-repeat style of argumentation.

Posted by extrapoint on June 13, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ditto
trolls cant or wont go back and forth because their primary objective is not an overall picture but to aggravate with isolated things.

Tall is definitely a troll but I get the feeling rswright just has a galactic case of tunnel vision.

Posted by extrapoint on June 13, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

get real
horrific would be an appropriate adjective in the first year(Jackson).
Didnt Cody set some freshmen records last year?

Posted by extrapoint on June 13, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

call me a little leaguer
I love the 4th down attempts. didnt one win the OU game and send Stoops and Bradford home as losers?
sounds to me like stepping it up a notch.
Another thing I hate is taking a knee right before the half.

Posted by rodrigo on June 13, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gosh tall, I don't know that the passing game was horrific. In fact, I disagree with virtually every single assessment of CU football that you've made.

More importantly, continually repeating your arguments will not change my mind.

I'm looking forward to a year of solid, steady improvement, measured by improved play on the field and continued improvement in the type of student/athletes who put on the Black and Gold.

You're looking forward to another season of bashing Dan and Cody Hawkins.

Posted by extrapoint on June 13, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall
you really arent doing yourself anygood stewing like you do. Get out and play more golf. Take a hike in the Superstitions. Maybe you could even join the minutemen down there around Tucson and take it out on some poor illegals.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on June 13, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

flabuff - j-fly dropped that pass because the KU defender was draped over him like a tailer made suit. He was trying to juke and catch and unfortunatley only suceeeded with the juke

The passing game is going to be UNREAL this year. Teams will have to respect the running game so Cody will finally have the luxury of a big line and defenses that aren't stacked against the pass. He's going to beat out Sam Bradford in passing efficiency, he'll beat out Colt Mccoy in win totals and he'll beat Reesing in td throws

Posted by flabuff227 on June 13, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He is an illegal. Hes gotta be.

"the inability to make first downs killed OUR defense". Haha!

First year starter, young o-line with no depth. And he still had a decent season.

Quit blaming 1 person for last years losses.

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 13, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Can anyone else confirm that wynn tore his ACL

Posted by BuffTime on June 13, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

First off, gotta (somewhat) defend rswright in comparison to our resident "vertically fixated" troll. I don't agree with rs, but at least the guy has a recognizable agenda and sticks to it. Tall just likes to troll.

Second, I think it is somewhat naive to think DS is going to stroll in and start from day one. No matter how good the kid is, he's an incoming true freshman. He needs to learn the plays and system before he will be effective anywhere near his ability.

Thirdly, flabuff is correct in pushing the point that no one can rightly blame any single player for the losses last year. It was/is a young team and mistakes were made all over the place. Cody made a few, but he by far made up for those with the plays and poise that a freshman quarterback has no business pulling off. The kid will only get better as will the team. J-Fly made some rookie mistakes too and he will be better this year too.

And lastly, CAN"T WAIT UNTIL THE SEASON STARTS!

Posted by archalon on June 13, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ditto rodrigo's post. One assessment that we can all agree on is that there were far too many dropped passes at crucial times last season. Reflects on Cody's stats, but the reality was that the recievers cost us at crucial times and that will improve. Even the ISU debacle could have been avoided had there not been several drops during the cyclone rally.

Ill say it here first: Cody will make a run for Conference honors. Reesing and Daniel had great seasons last fall, but at least one will slip. McCoy and Bradford are overrated and the KSU kid is a lumbering fool. No worries out of NU. Their defense wont turn around in a single year and the QB numbers will reflect that.

CU-KU-MU will finish 1-2-3 in the North, but the order is anyone's guess

Posted by BuffTime on June 13, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Somewhat off topic, but can I suggest to the DC staff to create a general message board in addition to the article driven ones. The article driven ones are great for discussing the article topic, but we keep going off topic (especially when there is a lull in football articles) and it would be great to have a general discussion section where we can create topic threads and stick to the topics within them (like recruiting, etc.).

Just a thought.

Posted by extrapoint on June 13, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ditto on bufftime
Sumler will start but if Scott lives up to his #1 ranking he will be racking up yards at the end of the season and doing a Chris Brown number on Thanksgiving weekend.

....and we also keep overlooking a 4 star named Polk

Posted by BuffTime on June 13, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Now back to the regularly scheduled topic:

Also keep in mind that a quarterbacks stats/success is largely tied to the O-Line in front of them. There is a reason that NFL quarterbacks are known to give cars and other "thank yous" to their O-linemen. If you have all day to pass even Tall can look like Unitas. Same goes for RBs. If they have holes big enough for a bus to run through even Tall could have stats like a Heisman hopeful. What makes a QB or RB special is when they make something out of nothing. That is something that Cody has shown he can do (though admittedly he forced it a few times which came back to bite him) and that DS has shown to be able to do as well.

I think our O-Line is on the verge in the next year or 2 of being one of the greats (like the 2001 class) and as a result the team in general will dominate as well.

A similar case can be made for the D-Line. It is THE reason that Hawk loves the big uglies. He knows that is the core that HAS to e good if you want any hope of having a good team. It also attracts the top skill players who know that the good lines will only make them look good. Again, see D. Scott.

Posted by archalon on June 13, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I see Scott starting WVU game to end of season and Polk getting either a redshirt or 20% of the carries by the end of the year, depending on Sumler. Sumler will be a FB and ahort-yardage option by 2009 and Lockridge will be the thrid down back.

If Scott is as good as he appears to be, we only have him for three years- might as well stagger him and Polk in terms of eligibility. Hawk wants another good RB next recruiting cycle. There's a Compton kid that is a darkhorse to come here (get on it Hagan) and though Id like to see him come here, I think the SF kid Yarnway (?) will go elsewhere.

Posted by BuffTime on June 13, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Only someone who knew nothing about football would think out of hand that we have rose colored glasses. The fact is that we have all been patiently watching the young guys (especially linemen) make progress and grow into their positions. We have seen how they have progressed and recognized that they were "oh so achingly close" on so many plays/games last year.

Also, don't forget that they were also doing this against a brutal schedule. If they had had a cupcake schedule like so many other Big 12 teams had last year, they would have had a much better record as well.

Given all of that, it isn't unrealistic to think they can have a good year this year and a great year in 2009.

But like I said, you kind of have to know a little bit about football to see that.

Posted by extrapoint on June 13, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rose colored glasses maybe.
nothing like the red ones though.
the Husker Extra is forecasting 8 wins as a "resonable expectation."

red is also the color of blood and the entire conmference smells the bleeding.

Posted by rodrigo on June 13, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Using Brian White in the same sentence as Johnny Unitas?

Enough said.

Posted by BuffTime on June 13, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Um, Appalachian State is Div II and beat Michigan. Boise State is WAC and beat OU in a bowl game.

Your lover boy Barnett managed to do a bang up job recruiting his last few years and left the stable empty. Especially on the aforementioned linemen (remember spring drills last year?). If you don't see the correlation of linemen to team success, see my earlier posts. If you don't agree with the correlation, then...well.. you just prove how little you know about football.

BTW, how many years of offensive experience does Pelini have? Or as a head coach? You're dreaming if you think he will do a complete 180 with the Huskers in 1 year. He might not subscribe to the five year plan, but it will be delivered that way anyway. The rest of the Big 12 will make sure of it.

Posted by archalon on June 13, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No way Pelini wins 8 games this year. You claim Bo knows defense, but Bo dont tackle - and neither does his current players.

NU is in for a rude awakening - you'd think they would have learned by now that they cant live of their reputation from 30 years ago any longer.

KU and MU werent overnight success stories, CU is proving it takes a few years - so what makes anyone think NU is even ready to compete, much less win ?

Posted by bufffan8 on June 13, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall is just a glass half empty guy (or gal). I'd rather be optimistic about the season than pessimistic. Tall chooses pessimism. Tough way to go through life, but that is his (or her) choice.

Posted by bufffan8 on June 13, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall - if the toss-ups go NUs way you are predicting 11-1. Maybe you aren't so pessimistic, just a rose colored glasses wearing Husker fan.

Posted by BuffTime on June 13, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Virginia Tech and KU are for sure wins?

That's pretty bold saying that a team that laid 76 points on you last year and a team who went 11-3 and barely lost (24-21) to that same KU team are "definite" wins this season! Truly delusional!

Posted by choderlos1741 on June 13, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bo Pellini isn't going to have LSU's talent this year, nor is he going to have a great staff, since he brought in a bunch of Frank Solich's old has beens out of retirement. 10 wins? That's about as likely as Brian White turning out to be Johnny Unitas. 7 wins is a little more likely.

Posted by extrapoint on June 13, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll say it for the fifth time
Western Michigan is a toss up. It will be Pellini's first game. Vince Lombardi couldnt clean up Callahan's mess in the first game. Western is a lot tougher than NM State. they got the dates turned around on that one.

Even if Pellini cuts the 40 plus points per game against in half with the "rose colored" shirts he has left over from last season, that still speaks of a 500 record. Joe Ganz will the one bright spot that might keep them from slipping into the cellar with Iowa State.

Posted by archalon on June 13, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Delusional is right - VT and KU are losses and WMU is not a sure win. To wit, from the Journal Star:

"Western Michigan is a difficult read. The Broncos went 5-7 last year in the MAC, got creamed by West Virginia (62-24) and Missouri (52-24), but also beat Iowa on the road. They run a spread offense with some playmakers at receiver and have a defense that returns all 11 starters. They strike me as similar to Ball State (a 41-40 loser to NU last year). Good, not great. Certanly above cupcake status. Of course, Nebraska's going to have to show some significant improvement itself before calling anyone a cupcake again.

WMU had two guys listed as first-team All-MAC players on Phil Steele's preseason list: wide receiver Jamarko Simmons and Fryar.

It had four guys on the second team: tight end Branden Ledbetter, defensive end Zach Davidson, linebacker Boston McCornell and free safety Louis Delmas. Davidson had 3.5 sacks in the spring game"

Posted by bufffan8 on June 13, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)

4 wins for the Huskers could be a very realistic next year.

Posted by rodrigo on June 13, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recrui...

Not like the old days I guess. Get with the times, tall.

Posted by extrapoint on June 13, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lets revisit that last season that Barney, er I mean Tall likes to crow about.
We start off by barely beating CSU and then open the Husker scheduler's eyes by spanking NM State.
Losses to Miami and a lopsided one to TX, no shame there?
Then we have what would appear to be 5 solid wins agisnt OK St, A&M, KU, squeaker against KSU and Mizzou. This of course took place when the North as a conference was, as Tall likes to put it, horrific. I am willing to bet the top 3 teams in the WAC that year could have done the same thing.
Then
the wheels came off
A loss to Iowa State, followed by payback from NE. Somehow we back into the conf championship game which turned into one of the biggest embarrassments ever on national TV in a second massacre from TX. That game still hurts the most for me of all.

Barney wasnt a bad coach, but the media, the Boulder prosecutors and even some of our own adminstrators went on a worthless rampage that took all motivation out of him. Cant blame him, but all this childish retribution from Hawk's day one is also an extremely immature reflection.

Posted by MDBuff on June 13, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Great ESPN article on Dan and Cody Hawkins/coach and qb/father-son bond at http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns...

Even Tall may enjoy it.

Posted by BuffTime on June 13, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If he doesn't will you go away permanently?

Posted by buffalo_flyer on June 13, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Even NU's aggressive home sscheduling can't guarantee more than two wins. With 5 of the first at home it looks like 2-3 is realistic

after that it gets ugly
at OU
at KSU
at ISU
at TT
home to Kansas and Colorado

even against Baylor, I think I would take the points and bet on the Bears

Posted by flabuff227 on June 13, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tal- when has bo been successful as a head coach. DC and head coaching are completely different. Oh and huskers better watch out for san jose st. and western michigan, i hear there are many similiarities between them and ball state. I bet they lose one of those games.

Posted by JBuff on June 13, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Troll writes, "2005 buffs were 7-5 under Barnett..."

According to Troll, those 5 loses were acceptable, including one that we lost by 67 points. Mack Brown called off the dogs because UT didn't score one point in the 4th Qtr.

Which coach is overmatched in the Big 12?

Posted by flabuff227 on June 13, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know hes a good assistant i never disputed that.He is unproven as a head coach. Jury is out. Because stoops had success, i guess that would translate int bo having success.

Posted by rodrigo on June 13, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the bio on BoP, tall. Do you have his poster (next to Stoops') on your bedroom wall, too?

Posted by archalon on June 13, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Resume's dont win games, neither do hopes. NU also doenst have the talent they think they do, nor is it on par with the teams Pelini has been associated with.

Keep dreaming, Ill give you 5 wins, +/- 1.

Posted by MDBuff on June 13, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pelini coached at Mooney High, same as Mike Stoops at Arizona, who's going to be canned before the end of this year.

Posted by MDBuff on June 13, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Coincidence? Or not?

Posted by bufffan8 on June 13, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall - how much time do you give Bo? You said no 5 yr plan for Bo. If he wins 5 or less in yr one do they fire him?

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 13, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What do Ed Orgernon, Greg Robinson and Mike Stoops etc.. all have in common?? Great assistants with amazing resumes that failed as head coaches, will Bo be next?

Posted by archalon on June 13, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hahaha ! Good joke tall for the 200th post in this thread

Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 13, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall, so you are saying it is 50/50 on Bo being a flop?!?!?

Posted by archalon on June 13, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

......and ran quietly questionable programs of multiple felons, scandals, booster based recruiting and had to rely on the 'tradition' of their program's name for recruiting to make up for the fact the school is in a place most reasonable people would not consider going to. I know - I spent 4 years in Lincoln

Its a new century, kids see more than the same 20 schools on tv all the time. Parity in recruiting is the New World Order of college football and NU is not the punched ticket to the NFL it was in the 'ol days.

Nebraska is another has-been great but now mediocre program who's fan's think a coach is a savior on a white horse that instantly turns things around. NU fans thought the same about Callahan.

Besides, as long as Watson is there, you arent going anywhere. Just ask CU fans. Get with the program man

Posted by bufffan8 on June 13, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall - that wasn't my question. If Bo wins 5 or fewer games, and he is not "one of those 5yr plan guys" do they fire him? Or, do you think they should fire him. 7-8 wins next year is really looking at NU with rose colored glasses. They have 3 true LBs on the roster. How much could the D actually improve?

Posted by Black_Rob on June 13, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They better start infusing steroids back into the program.

Posted by bufffan8 on June 13, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall - will it take Bo 22 yrs to win a National Championship as it did Osbourne?

Posted by BuffTime on June 13, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Tall,
What color is the sky on the planet you're from?

No one can reasonably expect 9+ wins "until they retire". Not Pelini, not your dream boy Stoops brothers, not Urban Meyer, no one. Today's college football landscape does not allow it. Decades ago, Army and Harvard were perennial power houses. Times change. Today, Rutgers, South Florida and South Carolina are on the scene with the big boys.

Nebraska had its glory days but that image is shattered. Reviving it isn't as simple as your simple mind seems to think it will be. All those wins in the 90's mean squat now. Pelini will essentially have to rebuild Nebraska from scratch. And do it selling Lincoln as well over the current powers in places that kids actually want to go to.

Posted by Black_Rob on June 13, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall, here you go man.

http://psychcentral.com/ocdquiz.htm

Time to take a break buddy.

Posted by extrapoint on June 13, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was just in Lincoln for a few days last week visiting the inlaws.
My 10 year old grandson, who hasnt quite been completely brainwashed yet, saw a T-shirt that said "Got BO?"
He asked his dad if the guy wearing it stunk.

Posted by bufffan8 on June 13, 2008 at 6:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Face it Tall. The Huskers are going to stink this year. 5 wins tops. I hope you and the rest of the corn faithful can hang in there for a few more rough years.

Posted by MDBuff on June 13, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK - new topic. Will D. Scott start immediately at RB or will he be in the mix for a while until he starts?

Posted by bufffan8 on June 13, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He may have the talent to start right away but I think his playing time will depend on how much of the paybook he picks up. I'd bet he doesn't start right away but gets a fair amount of carries in the early going.

Posted by bufffan8 on June 13, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

playbook, not paybook.

Posted by extrapoint on June 13, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

shoot
now the Texas fans are going to be all over us

Posted by archalon on June 14, 2008 at 7:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Scott will start WVU game, no later. He's just too good but will need a few games to get accustomed.

As I posted earler, Sumler will be FB by 2009 and Lockridge is a good 3rd down back. Im betting Polk redshirts to stagger the eligibility. He'll have two years post Scott if Darrell declares early - assuming he is that good.

Posted by archalon on June 14, 2008 at 7:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW - awhile back there were rumors of Celestine not cutting it , maybe grades, and wanting to leave. Any truth to it ? Does the Darden signing shed any light ?

Im hoping Simas and JFly are the studs we here they are

Posted by extrapoint on June 14, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Simas has yet to get much PT but if you watched any of the games last fall, there is no question J-Fly has the speed and moves.
Blackmon is the only new WR this fall.
The Espinoza kid is intriguing. He might be the Maiwa story at WR. He was very entertaining running kicks back in the spring game and caught a TD pass.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 14, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope this isn't true about celestine. He looked like a very talented kid last year. He did make a ton of mistakes even for a freshman. He could be in dhe doghouse because he wasn't able to grasp the playbook.

Posted by rswright on June 15, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You have a team which has proven mediocre at best but with hopes for the future. Not necessary is the name calling of one person who very well maybe right (hopefully not). Intelligence might not be a criteria for posting but a little less in the way of personal comments i.e. idiot, moron etc. should be.

Posted by flabuff227 on June 15, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)

Happy fathers day tal. Father like son.

Rs- I wouldnt call those comments. Id call them facts. Especially, if their referring to you. Of course, idiot moron is putting it mildly and is rather generous. Go watch your gymnastics baby girl.

Posted by rodrigo on June 15, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, no. He's back... Did we hurt your feelings?

Posted by rodrigo on June 16, 2008 at 7:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes.

Posted by rodrigo on June 16, 2008 at 7:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, I have no idea what you're talking about (and very little inclination to find out).

Posted by extrapoint on June 16, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

do I here an echo in here?
or maybe its just that Tall feels no one is listening?

Posted by rodrigo on June 16, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Please pardon the quick personal aside:

ep, how did that 10k turn out?

Posted by extrapoint on June 16, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My time was better than I thought it would be. (still lost in the mob, of course)
Lechery is always a great motivator. I hate to see those fit young ladies move far enough ahead of me that they are out of sight.
The weather was just right......considerable cloud cover to prevent overheating. By the time we got to the Harvest House (I refuse to recognize any other name) for our customary pitchers of Margaritas on the patio, it began to rain.
It is always exciting to be in Folsom. Kibitzing in the stands after the race we meet people from all over the country and all over the world. With 60k participants it also amazing that we run into folks from Boulder and the front range we havent seen for a while.
thanks for asking

Posted by rodrigo on June 16, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice. Didn't realize it was the Bolder Boulder. Fond - but hazy - memories of that event...

Posted by extrapoint on June 16, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

have yet to run the stinkin lincoln

Posted by baBUFF on June 16, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall, whether you want to believe it or not, Hawk will not be on the hot seat this year unless there is a major regression and we win 4 or fewer games. We have not been so spoiled in recent years to want Hawk's head on a platter so quickly as other schools would. I am hopeful for an 8+ win season, but even if we go 6-6, his job will be safe.

2009 will be a different story, and if we're still only in the 5-7 win range, you will start hearing the grumblings.

Posted by baBUFF on June 16, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Totally disagree with the C- assessment. Wins and loses are a huge part of the job (the biggest), but it's not the ONLY part of teh job and I think most Buff fans would rate Hawk B+ or better in every other area (improvements in recruiting, fundraising, community support, etc.). I'm a believer that if you lay the proper foundation, the wins will come. Ultimately if Hawk doesn't win, he'll be gone, but every other area of the program is improving and I have full confidence wins are not far away.

Posted by extrapoint on June 16, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tall is just continuing his self stroking fantasies. I Hawk does win 8 or 9 better get Tall on suicide watch

Posted by rswright on June 16, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What do you mean he'll be gone. Where is the money going to come from for another buy out?

Posted by archalon on June 16, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Disagree with C- as well. What Hawk has done goes beyond the W\L column. Instant gratification fools dont realize you cant turn the ship around overnight.

W\L record - C ( without ISU collapse, C+)
Community Support - B
Institution Support - B+
Recruiting - A
Program Discipline - A
Overall foundation of the program - B
Team dynamics - A
Team competitiveness - B

W\L record is always the last to show results of improvement when you do things the right way. Hawk isnt cutting corners to get to 9 win seasons and as a result, the success 2010 and beyond will be much more solid than flash-in-the-pan seasons that fizzle out without a strong foundation. 2009 is tough to judge because the schedule is brutal. Im confident of 8 wins this season but even 6-7 would show they are going the right direction with the program

Hawk is going nowhere for a long time.

Posted by extrapoint on June 16, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

you have no right to complain rswright until you contribute....even to tennis. You dont even live in Colorado so you cant complain about some microscopic part of your state tax money.

until then, you are a completely irrelevant voice

Tall at least provides some amusement, albeit clinical.

Posted by archalon on June 16, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whatever Tall - crawl back in your hole

Posted by bufffan8 on June 16, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall - Boulder isn't Lincoln or Norman or Ann Arbor or Columbus. Most fans are ok with the progress being shown. 6-6 with the schedule in front of him would likely be ok. Now, if he had Nebraska's schedule 8+ wins would be expected. When Bo only wins 4 or 5 they can will go nuts in Lincoln and want his head. I hope TO has a short list of replacement candidates ready. Gary Barnett is available.

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