Posted by archalon on June 14, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why drag it out ? Oh yeah, cause its illegit and th DA wants to push it as close as it can towards the season to aggravate the Buffs

Posted by rswright on June 14, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Geer, not the DA made the request for a later date so it was Geer dragging it out, not the DA. Next? The Judge granted Katoa's request for an earlier date. He granted Katoa's request, because he is prejudiced against football players. Wake up.

Posted by mgmtgrad on June 14, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry to be picky, but if I read below correctly:

"got his arraignment hearing moved earlier this week to July 9."

Earlier in the week [at his hearing] he got the hearing moved to another date, July 9th. It is not clear if it is an earlier date or if the original date was last week. But I would read that to say he has asked for more time too.

Posted by rswright on June 15, 2008 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If your kid (or grandkid) had his head pushed through a wall would you tell to him, now,don't jump to conclusions because that guy who hit him with a rock in his hand is "innocent until proven guilty"? Would you tell your son who had to have his face wired how all football players are really picked on? That it's all his fault that his apt. was broken into and he got smashed because that is what comes from making poor decisions. Our posters have all expressed these feelings. But how many would say the same thing if it was their kid?

Posted by BuffTime on June 16, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Quick question RS, exactly where in all of the articles on the Katoa incident did it say he actually hit the kid with the rock in his hand? As far as I've read it has said he had the rock in his hand but never said he hit the guy with it.

Also, you conveniently forget that the group that Katoa was with were attacked and that it was not a random act of violence on Katoa's part. Not to excuse the poor decision making on Katoa's part, but it isn't so black and white as you make it out to be.

Posted by rswright on June 16, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Again, would you be so picky if it was your kid?

Posted by BuffTime on June 16, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I like to think my kids would not be mixed up in that kind of thing. My daughter is much too young right now, but like I mentioned earlier, neither Katoa nor Geer just went out and hit other kids. They were attacked first. The lesson they needed to learn was to avoid fighting back and to get the proper authorities involved instead.

It would be a completely different situation if they were the initial aggressors which I honestly don't think they were.

Tall, you mean Boulder needs to clean things up like your beloved Oklahoma and Nebraska programs? Guiding lights of purity that they are?

Hawk and company do need to get things under tighter control for sure, but so do the upperclassmen on the team. There is a great link to an old article from the NYT about how the team responded after the Sal Aunese death. The upper classmen set the example and cracked down on any nightlife activity except on Saturday night after a game. It cut down on off field issues dramatically and the younger kids knew what was expected of them.

I don't know Geer's background too well, but I know that Katoa had some issues coming in. I think the real failure towards him was not to get enough positive mentors in his life off the field. His biggest positive influences are still in Utah and he seems to need a strong influence on the team or staff to help guide him. He might be rough around the edges, but I honestly think he is trying to be a good kid and in his mind he was protecting his teammates and friends and not trying to cause problems.

Posted by rswright on June 16, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

But if it was your daughter would you tell her he was "trying to be a good kid"?

Posted by BuffTime on June 16, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If I were the parent of the kid that got beat up then of course I would be extremely angry. Any parent would. Rational thought takes a back seat to emotion when it is your own child involved. Thankfully, it has nothing to do with my child so I can put emotions aside and look at the situation with a little more perspective.

Do you ask yourself "what if it were my child" whenever you read about any crime that has been committed? Of course not. You look at the situation and judge it based on the facts at hand. If you read a story about an anonymous kid whose friends were attacked by a bunch of thugs and then beat one of them up, would you say to yourself "what if that kid he beat up were my kid?" or do you more likely sympathize with the kids who got attacked in the first place?

It does not mean that you condone the kids taking things into their own hands, but at least you understand them a little bit. Katoa lacks some self-control, but not even the prosecutor is saying that he just randomly went on a rampage and punched the other guy.

Posted by BuffTime on June 17, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, you always bring up OU and NU as how things should be run. Don't want to acknowledge their darker side huh? Little hypocritical to complain about CU and then praise NU and OU and then ignore something that they have had some pretty serious issues with recently as well as historically. Like to have your cake and eat it too huh?

Posted by rswright on June 17, 2008 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If your kid deserved to get beat up, you should be angry at your kid. ("getting your butt kicked is a result of a poor decision").
But if your kid didn't deserve to get beat up would you tell your kid "katoa lacks some self-control"?

Posted by rswright on June 18, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Buff, Duren was dismissed from the program. Do you feel the same way about Duren as you do Katoa?How about a little understanding for Duren. "It does not mean that you condone the kids taking things into their own hands, but at least you understand them a little bit". And he didn't hit anybody. Probably just lacks a little self control.

Posted by BuffTime on June 18, 2008 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Way to completely miss the point RS. Duren had a pattern of behavior. He was dismissed because he decided not to take advantage of the limited chances that Hawk gave him earlier. Getting drunk and destroying property is not just lacking self control.

Katoa lacked self control because when he and his teammates/friends were attacked with a weapon (a taser is a weapon) he didn't control himself and find a police officer to deal with the situation.

Your prior post is just dumb and doesn't deserve a reply.

Posted by seanspradling on June 19, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey RS is I hit you in the head with a rock and let your kid watch will you tell them "I was being a douche and deserved it"?

Posted by rswright on June 19, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The point is you have no understanding for Duren but you do for Katoa. The problem is there are more similarities than differences but you choose to ignore the similarities. It's ok but don't consider your decision to be rational rather than emotional.

But you haven't answered the question. Will you tell your kid who didn't deserve to get beat up that Katoa showed a little lack of self control?

Posted by rswright on June 19, 2008 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Since you are so full of understanding for Katoa, if it was your kid who had her head pushed through a wall would you tell her Katoa just lacked a little self control. If not,you are full of understanding just so long as it someone else's kid.