Posted by BuffMan6236 on October 15, 2008 at 1:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good points Neill. However, even in year four its looking dicey. We'll probably be 3-3 then as well, after beating Miami of Ohio, the Rams and Wyoming, we'll play WVU in Morgantown, go to Austin to play UT and then host Kansas.

We'd all be happy with 4-2 and downright delirious with 5-1 at that point. The season finishes out the same as this year's schedule so we may be fighting again for a bowl birth.

So, honestly, given where the team is now and the lack of receiving and d-back depth, we'd better review this investment uner your criteria at this time in 2010, when we will be 6-0 at this point in the season.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 4:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Once you pick where you are going to invest a key decision is to find an experienced successful advisor to assist in the process.

Unfortunately Neil, your not the guy.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 7:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

full recruiting years....this is still year 2

Posted by nepabuff on October 15, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the coaches are in panic mode.

1 second after the KU game the Head coach blurted out "there will be no QB change"..

In a press meeting the Coach is calling out reporters for saying things he doesn't like.

Another loss and he'll go into seclusion and quit talking.

Posted by rodrigo on October 15, 2008 at 7:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If CU wins this weekend, nepa, will you please go into seclusion and quit talking?

Posted by nepabuff on October 15, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How could CU lose against this team?

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jeepers neil using investment comparisons and ringo using political ones.

this sports page is like the buffs OC a joke

Posted by rodrigo on October 15, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Does that mean yes?

BTW, nepa, I'll be at Folsom on Saturday. Seeing as how we're both such big CU fans, I'd love to buy you a beer after the game. Let me know when and where to meet you and I'll be there. I'm sure it'll be very, very easy to pick you out of the crowd.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 15, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder if short selling allowed with regard to this particular investment?

Posted by rodrigo on October 15, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

yo, daddy, you did that long ago.

Meanwhile, here's an interesting question. Players at Ohio State appear to be openly advocating for their pick to start at qb: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008...

Has anybody heard any word from CU players? Has anybody even asked?

In all seriousness I wonder what the guys on the team think?

It would be nice to get some informed info - not the distorted opinions of nepa or daddy or the easy quotes fed us by the DC sports staff.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 15, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rodrigo - For once we agree. I would also like to hear the players comments especially a guys like Geer or Walters, seniors, who were both outstanding QB's. But what can they say: if their comments are even slightly negative they will find themselves in the same position as Hugh Charles last year.

Hence, all we hear is silence, on something that every member of the team must have an opinion on.

Hawk has probably gone around and offerd a little more playing time to any player who will say something nice about Cody: but no takers!

Posted by nepabuff on October 15, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Come on Rod, no player is going to say anything.

This has become the worst case scenario.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Has that coach consistently recruited well?
Yes

Have those players improved after their arrival?
does not look like it

Is the team more competitive against upper-echelon teams?

No

And, naturally, has the record improved?

a little bit.

4 and 4 in the big 12 last year
4 and 4 this year would mean no improvement

5 and 3 minimum needed this year to make the Hawk mantra happen.

6 to go which means 5 and 1 minimum

kstate win
iowa state win
a & m win
nebraska win

missouri ?
oki stat ?

Tough row boys. Lets turn it around right now

Go Buffs

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

great dig on the bloggers in here, the sky is falling! the sky is falling! yep good to know we've become the joke

Posted by nolanjp on October 15, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

look at our recruiting class so far this year compared to the rest of the big 12...........what are we waiting for, why don't we have more commitments?

Posted by rodrigo on October 15, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why wouldn't players say, or do, something? Even it means Hawk's doghouse or the end of their careers at CU, wouldn't that be in their best interest if they really felt Cody was only starting because Dan's his dad? If you were Ballenger or Hansen (or Scott or any of the o-linemen or any of the younger guys on the team, for that matter) would you stay at CU if you felt the coaches weren't doing the right thing?

I have no idea what those guys think. But it would be nice to know.

Posted by rodrigo on October 15, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What about that beer, nepa? Seriously. I'm a nice guy, not all that big, nothing to be afraid of. Besides, I don't take all this stuff personal, it's a football game after all, so it would be all in fun.

Posted by nepabuff on October 15, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They may end up at UCLA or Portland State if they question the Coach.

Posted by rbboulder on October 15, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"It takes time, it takes patience and it takes a little luck." Also good recruiting and we are doing well there. I wish all the negative fans or pretenders would sell their stock and disappear. from the boards and go back to their "true" teams.

Posted by Rise_Against on October 15, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Back in Black! LETS GO BUFFS!!!

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 15, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vk - i think neil sets himself up, and it's interesting that he points out gundy but then alludes to him as being part of the continuity. the comparison works, but all the way.

start with gundy - he is in his 4th year and his team is 8th in the nation and undefeated. that's OSU, the bed wetting little brother in oklahoma - a place that had nothing when he arrived - nothing.

mack brown - say whatever you want perennial winner, high expectations, win, win win. how many 10 win seasons? how long had UT been down? how long did it take?

stoops - how long did his turnaround take? how many bcs bowls. yes, continuity - earned continuity and very clear change in direction.

pinkel and mangino - a little longer, but neither mu nor ku has ever been much of football team. and though they both suffered through a few mediocre seasons on the upswing, it was clear that there was progress.

again - i go back to the questions and i agree with vk. i also think gundy is important to look at. year 4.

so is neil saying that if we do not have real progress toward the end of this year and into next, then we should reconsider our investment?
isn't that really what many of us have already been saying.

Posted by KFC on October 15, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Neil, you say:
"It takes time, it takes patience and it takes a little luck."
IT TAKES A QUARTERBACK!!
Look at every single one of those programs you listed and tell me what they have in common. Great QBs! Its no secret. Even in the NFL. Sure there are a few exceptions but generally, QBs make or break teams. The best years CU had were under Hagan and Kordell its not a coincidence.

Posted by homeontherange on October 15, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you doubt what I said a few days ago about the influence this forum has on the Buffs themselves, please re-read the article. Congratulations to Nepa and Who's for your successful anti buffalo propaganda campaign. You disguise it under the "nepotism" theme but that's just a convenient excuse. It would be something else if Cody wasn't the starter. Given the amount of time you spend here spouting your nonsense, I suspect you may be paid by some husker booster to do it.
Thank the Camera for letting it happen.

Posted by nepabuff on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Home, if the record wasn't 11-19 and perhaps 20-11, I'd be cheering.

As it stands, the changing of Barnett to Hawkins has resulted in less games won and a 4 MILLION dollar severance to Barnett.

Isn't that like paying 4 MILLION to trade a corvette in for a yugo?

Posted by Black_Rob on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This past summer, weren't we all saying that just getting to a bowl this year would be deemed a success, given the youth and schedule? (except stupid Kenneth)

Posted by roamingbuff on October 15, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anybody remember Elway's rookie season - before the Broncos had become really good? He was electrifying. He was young and yet could make things happen. He was just a great athlete.

No way I'm comparing any CU QB to Elway - but the point is - if you have a great athlete under center they can make things happen - even if the team isn't that great. In fact - a really good QB can elevate the level of play of an average, or below average team.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hoth
you are misguided

Posted by rodrigo on October 15, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

C'mon, nepa, the least you could do is be polite and decline my invite. Just ignoring it is kinda rude, no?

Posted by flabuff227 on October 15, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nolan- we had the same amount of recruits at this time last year.... What else would u like to criticize?

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vk, your improvement argument is only valid if we are fielding the same team from week to week. we're not, look at the individual players and whether each player is improving from week to week at the same spot

fishy - give me T Boone Pickens money and I could hire nepabuff as head coach and go undefeated

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh yeah, and fishy - 2 more wins and Hawk is ahead of Mangino

as for Pinkel - He's been the Mizzou coach longer than you've been attending home games, Mizzou fans must have incredible patience

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 15, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rodrigo - We all understand that you don't like Nepa's opinion. For some reason you apparently feel that insults and threats will prevent him from expressing those opinions, but all you are doing is pushing people away from your point of view because you sound like such a violent nutcase.

Try expressing yourself with words and ideas and stop threatening people!

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 15, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bflyer - i don't think you'd need tboone money - more like a couple subs a week from jimmy john's hold the E coli.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 15, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rodrigo - i'd have a beer with you if i drank, but i'd be happy to buy you a beer.

Posted by Saheeb on October 15, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Since we're using an investment scenario, I would have put my money in Butch Davis, Tim Brewster or Jim Grobe for the optimal return on my coaching investment. Brewster has taken an awful Minnesota program and improved it dramatically, so has Davis at UNC and Grobe continues to improve Wake Forest. All were candidates, apparently, for the CU job. Just kidding/stirring the pot there a bit guys (as if it needs it). I firmly believe Hawk is the guy.

In a year or two we'll all be singing his praises full throttle. Too many injuries, tough schedule and inexperience this year to progress much. Those are realities, not excuses. You CAN compensate for those things and still do well if you have depth, but we're young and thin almost everywhere and Hawk needs a couple more recruiting cycles for that to show. Hawk is the right guy. Go Buffs!

Posted by GoBuffs07 on October 15, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? When you get an extension for winning 6 games of course there is no panic. BUFFS have been going down hill and Hawkins is to blame. We'd be lucky to win 4 games this year. The both the coordinators need to go witht he rest of the loser coaching staff. Go back to WAC.

Posted by flabuff227 on October 15, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gobuffs- your screen name is suspect along with you

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 15, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

why is he suspect flabuff? he's frustrated and upset for good reason.

saheeb - groh, brewster and davis are all proven winners doing in some respects. brewster, the biggest risk, is widely known as one of, if not, the best recruiter in the college game - can anyone say vince young? resurgence of the UT program?

groh and davis have won and will win.

i think hawkins is more like a greg schiano - he became the talked about coach du jour, but really what have either proven. i think hawk did a great job at willametter college and bosie. okay. maybe they're both more like gerry faust.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Saying that Hawk hasn't proven anything just shows you don't give credit for anything he's done, That makes you suspect

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 15, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i have already said many times that hawk has brought great enthusiams, has built community relations and renewed enthusisasm in the program, and has done a great job of recruiting - thus far.

i agree with the posters here about developing talent and what hasn't been down with regards to promise on O.

Posted by extrapoint on October 15, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry that one of nepa's schizzo ids had to answer for him, rod.
The problem with nepa meeting with anyone on this board is that nepa's real ID would endanger nepa's secret and real agenda for Hawkins bashing.

Posted by extrapoint on October 15, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ps
I would hate to see how he reacts to anything even close to a threat!

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 15, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

extra - don't be juvenile. i cannot speak for nepa or anyone else around here. the fact that anyone would even use the word threat on a board where fans with differing opinions are trying to have a discussion is so utterly absurd. i offered to meet rod and take him for a beer, and i would do the same for you even though your primary means of discourse is attack.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

personally I'd like to meet fishy, nepa and wyd just to confirm they are three different people, and I'd gladly buy the beer, or any non alcoholic cocktail you'd like

Posted by extrapoint on October 15, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

youir other nepa booster, "who's," is the one who mentioned threats in conjunction with rod who is one of the most reasonable people on this board, present company included.
Your rant directed at me is tranparent spin and an unnwarranted juvenile attack of your own.

quit trying to build some false case.

once again, funny how all the nepa clones have to answer for nepa.

Posted by siess on October 15, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nepa- Let me know if you are at the game too.

Basically you and Who are trolls- negative ones- that like to put down the team, make comments about how awful the Buffs are, and are very narcissistic in nature in every post. I'd be happy to see who and what you two are all about.

I think it is interesting that you spend as much time up here with the negative rhetoric.
You might as well get used to Hawk- he will be here in Boulder a long time, and slowly but surely, the Buffs will become a top ten team.
At that point you will cease to exist on this forum, as your reason for living here will not longer be fun.

Posted by joseph.l.coleman on October 15, 2008 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Two major issues as I see it.
1. Buffs have not had an above average QB, or lately an average QB, for 15 years. Ochs could have been but we know what happenned there.
2. No passing to RBs or TEs. They try and go downfield to much and that is not a strength. Need to start trying some toss sweeps as well.

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 15, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would also love a chance to chat with "Nepa" and "Whos" face to face!

Please lemme know if you guys are going to attend this weekend's games. I am sure your boldness extends beyond these message boards. Surely it must, and I would love to hear the rhetoric first hand!

Posted by Saheeb on October 15, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

joseph.l.coleman: I too have wondered why we haven't been able to recruit a top QB pretty much since the days of Kordell Stewart and Darian Hagan. We really haven't had a premiere QB in ages. I think one of the surprises, and disappointments, of Slick Rick's reign was the fact that he didn't rope in any big-time QBs. He was allegedly going to parlay his experience working with Troy Aikan into luring some blue chip QBs. That never happened. And, Colt Brennan pretty much got himself excused from CU (although, of course, the reactionery administration helped ensure that too). I do agree, though, that we haven't really had a big time recruit at QB for some time.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 15, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pg - I think you know I'll be at the game. And I would certainly enjoy having beer with with you. I think we can agree to disagree re. Cody. EP you too.

I'll be the one in the CU #7 jersey :-)

Posted by phxbuff on October 15, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

buffalo_flyer, Mizzou fans were calling for Pinkle's head week after week. It stopped when Chase Daniel started to make a name for the school's football program. I lived in St. Louis so I know how things were when Pinkle was a joke.

Right now, Chase is doing the recruiting for Mizzou, not Pinkle. So yes, qb play is HUGE. We will get that one 'special' player just as Mizzou and KU did. He may be on the roster now.

Oh, and once Chase and Maclin enter the draft, Mizzou will fall off real quick. Same with KU, once Reesing leaves, they are done.

Have some faith and quit busting Hawkin's balls every week. Our time is coming. Go Buffs!

Posted by Saheeb on October 15, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This kid out of Littleton, I believe, Danny something, is being heavily recruited as a junior and already has an offer from CU. Perhaps he's the Craig Ochs who will reach his potential if we land him.

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 15, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Brats are on Me Whos!

Posted by BuffTime on October 15, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I mentioned yesterday that I think CU is a very attractive landing spot for a top QB who is serious about making a name for himself. We have a great O-line in the making. We have a pretty deep quality RB corp and we are missing a star QB to lead the team to glory in the best QB conference in the country.

We play top teams every year. We are on TV (national included) several times every year. All in all I think CU should be very attractive to a gifted and talented QB. Now all we have to do is get that message out there...

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 15, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BT - I love your idea, but any top QB is going to have second thoughts about CU after having watched what has gone on at CU under Hawk, i.e. White being pushed out, Nelson being duped, Ballenger riding the bench while Cody sprints into the opponent's endzone, etc.

It just doesn't look like other QB's get a fair shake under Hawk and that's going to make them shy away.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 15, 2008 at 10:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And BTW, in case you didn't know, Hawk's other son, Drew, will be a redshirt freshman QB at Boise State next year (just a coincidence I'm sure).

He will be transfering to CU to take over the QB job when Cody's done. So those top QB prospects may not want to get too excited just yet.

Posted by BuffTime on October 15, 2008 at 10:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whos, that's just nonsense. Do you stay awake at night dreaming up silly conspiracy stories about Hawk? White left because he couldn't deal with competition. If he had any sense he would have stayed and been the starter by week 3 at the latest.

Nelson wasn't "duped". He came in trying to win the no.1 job. He didn't make the cut and is now no.3. Ballenger is a redshirt frosh and is getting playing time at QB. How many red shirt freshman starters are there at BCS conference schools?

If Drew wanted to come to CU he could have. He decided he preferred Boise. Probably didn't feel like being second guessed for 4 yrs. My guess is that some part of Cody is regretting choosing CU over Boise for exactly that reason. He can't win.

As for your previous suggestions that Hugh Charles had his playing time limited because he questioned Cody as the starter, that too is just a bunch of non-sense. He got in Hagan's dog house for not running through people and playing. He even admitted himself that he is maybe too nice a guy to play angry and run over people. He was a sprinter trying to be a running back. You just have to look at Speedy to see how Hugh could have turned out. Speedy plays angry and he runs over people.

CU recruits smart kids. A smart kid will look at the situation, realize that fools on a forum don't know squat about what really goes on and ignore them (if they even have the slightest clue we exist in the first place).

CU needs to go after the big time QB prospects and bring one in just like they brought in DS last go around.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 15, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BT - We couldn't agree more that CU needs a big time QB prospect, but as long as Coach Dad is playing favorites they will be going elsewhere.

I said long ago, above and beyond all of Cody's physical deficiencies the worst thing about the nepotism was that it would be a certainty that top QB recruits would avoid CU.

Watching what has happened with Cody, and not knowing what will happen with Drew, will be plenty for most recruits to find another school.

Posted by BuffTime on October 15, 2008 at 11:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh you got him now. It was all supposed to be a secret. Drew goes to Boise State to play there for a couple of years, then when Cody has used up his eligibility at CU Drew transfers, sits out a year and then plays one glorious year at CU!

Give me a break.

I guess Hawk is paying out most of his salary to his assistants to all stay and destroy their careers so that his kids can play QB. We have had one assistant leave in the past 2 years. If the coaches thought they were being railroaded into playing the coaches kid unfairly over better talent that would make them all look better, do you seriously think they wouldn't have left long ago?

If Ballenger or Hansen thought they were being screwed, don't you think they would have transferred by now? At least Ballenger who was here last year and would have seen Cody compared to Nelson? I guess they are in on the conspiracy too.. They must be... (start X-Files theme song now)

Posted by rodrigo on October 16, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Threats? What threats, Daddy? I am absolutely serious. I would love to buy nepa a beer. You two for that matter. Get a grip, dude, I've never been in a fight in my life and don't intend to start now.

Damn, add paranoid to your list of issues.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 16, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it'll never happen Rod, they're the same person (errrr weasel)

Posted by vkberlinn on October 16, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...Somehow, I expected to see the Dal Ward Center in full panic mode Tuesday afternoon...

Neil, its the glasses

Posted by moet on October 16, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of you guys crack me up, especially the chicken little pseudo-fans that think the sky is falling. "Oh dear, we lost to three top 25 teams, we'll never win again!" "Oh no, our QB is too short, even though he's taller than Todd Reesing, to throw a TD pass and he'll never have another good game in his life." "Oh my, a good QB recruit will never come here again, except for the two '09 QB recruits who are tearing up California football." "Oh crap, our true freshmen RBs aren't ready to step in & dominate the best conference in college football, though I'm not talking about you, true freshman Rodney Stewart."

Oops, didn't I mimic you quite right? Did I throw in some reality there? Excuuuuuse me! You fake Buffalo fans, go get a life! You supposed loyal fans who never met a bandwagon you didn't like, man up! It's a long season that's not for the meek and the weak. This is the BIG 12, baby, so fasten your seatbelts and enjoy the ride. It gets pretty bumpy, especially when you're team is young, but out of struggle comes success. Will you be there when it happens, or will you be running after Ralphie's trailer when it starts to speed up!

Posted by phxbuff on October 16, 2008 at 10:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Love the cynicism moet! You are right, people do need to lighten up on here a bit.

Posted by extrapoint on October 17, 2008 at 6:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ditto
some of these guys are real close to husker fans
Nepa has been stalking Hawkins

Posted by vkberlinn on October 17, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Moet you aint no poet

Posted by GoBuffs07 on October 17, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

flabuff227, I graduated from CU in 1992 and saw what a real team looks like. I'm tired of us keep bringing in these coaches that shouldn't be coaching in the big 12 and giving them the extensions without any results. What's wrong with hiring an assitant coach from a real program like what LSU and Oklohoma did. They didn't go to wac to get a new coach. They hired assitants from a real program. That's what we needed to do. I was on the Hawk band wagon last year but I feel we've taken a step back in every phase of the game this year and we gave him an extension.
I'm tired of coaches that accept Mediocrty. Barnett was the same. Well I won the big 12 north so I keep my job and its ok to get spanked in title game. Next time you drive 16 hours to go to the big 12 title game whether in Houston or Kansas just to see us get spanked you can tell me what I'm feeling is suspect.

Posted by BuffTime on October 17, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Les Miles was head coach at Oklahoma State before LSU. Yes he was an assistant before that, but so was every head coach at one time or another.

Barnett was head coach at Northwestern and was considered a catch when he was lured back to CU after the Neuheisel saga. Top head coaches don't often leave one top program to rebuild another. So if you need to rebuild you go after coaches who aren't currently coaching, top assistants, or coaches who have a good track record of success at lower tier schools.

Hawkins had a stellar record coming into CU. His current record reflects a coach who has had to completely rebuild a program that was dysfunctional, had fallen behind recruiting-wise, and had a severe image problem, lack of fan support, and not the best budget in the world.

Given what he walked into and agreed to take on, I give him some slack. He has turned most of that list around pretty impressively. He also tackled the more important ones first. I am proud of the program and will be patient for the wins to start coming in spades. If he had ignored all of the other issues and went straight for wins at all cost, I would have a lot less respect for the man.

Posted by extrapoint on October 17, 2008 at 9:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Florida went to the MWC to get a coach. What conference did Tressel come from?
Maybe we should go after an ex pro like Callahan or Wannestadt?
Gosh it is just so easy and simple to find a successful coach. Can someone tell me why 90 percent havent won an NC?

Posted by rswright on October 20, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neill is right,the team is and will get better because both Mike and Hawk have the drive and the talent. The only question is: will you fans (arch) and alums (Rodrigo) pay and/or contribute enough money to allow them to produce, in a tough conference, winning teams. To compete means money ie. Kansas opens a 40 million dollar facility and at CU Sat.night, 2,500 seats were unsold in a small stadium. CU doesn't have the money so it has to come from fans and alums. In contributions we are 10th out of 12 and there 60,000 CU alums in the Denver Metro area. Hey, the problem isn't Cody, the problem is you get what you pay for and you are paying for a middle of the pack team. So that is what you get.