Posted by Dizonrocks on October 15, 2008 at 12:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, thanks Ringo for teeing up another Anti Hawkins Cult thread...now we get to read literally a dozen or more Hawkins obsessed posts from whosyourdaddy, plus another 20 or so from nepa...toss fishy into the mix and we've got one whale of a thread!

Posted by BuffMan6236 on October 15, 2008 at 12:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well Dizon, I'll break that thread right here. Anybody who doesn't think coaches play the best players they have (in their judgment) must work for the post office.

Because in the real world, you get paid to produce. And if you fall short often enough, you get a one way ticket to palookaville.

If Cody's playing, its because right now, he's the best. Grown men are betting their careers on it.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 4:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sometimes these grown men who are betting their careers on it need a swift kick in the a** to get the blood flowing from the heart to the brain.

Blinded by the light.

Hopefully we are not being buffaloed by the head football buffalo.

Posted by montanabuff on October 15, 2008 at 6 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I keep coming back to the same question -
If I had a million dollar contract, and my entire career, hanging on the production of my team/unit/division/company - would I keep my son at the helm if there was someone better to do the job? I can't see that happening.

Same for Helfrich. If you are the guy who is going to have to fall on the sword for a losing season, would you be able to speak truth to power? I'm guessing yes.

Bottom line. We only know so much peeking in over the fence. I have to believe that Cody remains the best man for the quarterback job, at least for the remainder of this year.

The last three teams the Buffs have faced have had rushing defenses ranked in the top 15 in the nation. KSU is ranked 96th (and the pass defense is ranked 105th). Let's see how the Buffs' patchwork offensive line does against a mediocre defense before we bail on 2008.

Go Buffs!

http://www.cuatthegame.com

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 15, 2008 at 6:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dizonrocks - not to disagree completely, but i think kyle is being immensely disingenuous with this whole article. i don't think anyone is saying it's all about cody. i think many people understand the o line is down (but this should not be an excuse) and that the performance of the o over the past 5 games has been been horrible - the scheming, planning, execution. cody certainly is part of the problem.

kyle - i don't think there is a true fan on here who believes changing the qb will be an elixir for this team.

Posted by DrTom on October 15, 2008 at 7:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Looks like the o-line has been thrown under the bus.

That'll be good for recruiting.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 7:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

just curious, do we have a sellout on tap for saturday?

no?

then I guess its STFU

Posted by nepabuff on October 15, 2008 at 7:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok Dizonrocks, whose fault is it that the Offense is so bad?

Is it the players? Just some of the Players?

Or the coaches in charge of selecting the depth chart and game preparation?

Or is it no ones fault, everyone else in the big 12 just has better players and better coaches and the Buffs just can't compete in the Big 12?

Or does it honestly take 4 to 5 years to prepare a kid to play? Don't they already know how to tackle and block when they get here? (as if no other team plays freshmen and sophmores)

What is it Dizon???? Please tell us.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by archalon on October 15, 2008 at 7:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Id prefer a change in OC - Helfrich's problems trickle down more than Cody's migrate up.

Posted by oldbuffer on October 15, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To Nepa's question about already knowing how to block and tackle, I would respond with another question. How many pro teams start 75% rookies on their offensive line? Don't they already know how to block and tackle? After all, they were the best college players at their position and have been playing football for 10 or more years.

The answer is that it takes time to learn at the next level because the guy on the other side of the line is better at the next level.

There is a difference between an inquiring mind and a closed mind.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

..just curious, do we have a sellout on tap for saturday?
no?
then I guess its STFU

flyer please do so

no sell out cause your team sucks period

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 15, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There you have it: "continuity and confidence." Read between the lines, that means there won't be any challenges for the QB spot. The CU QB job belonged to Cody while he was still in high school and there won't be any changes as long as Dan Hawkins is the coach.

Posted by nepabuff on October 15, 2008 at 7:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"How many pro teams start 75% rookies on their offensive line? Don't they already know how to block and tackle?"

Old, I thought you knew, Pro's can play for 10 to 15 years. (where College is only 4 years)...

Anyways, that would be my guess why Pro teams don't start 75% rookies.

But then again, neither does CU. That's a slightly skewered analysis, a redshirt freshmen is actually a sohpmore, are they not?

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

........a chilly colorado morning and in the buff chat rooms, once again, are the pathetic buff "haters", once again, 'blessing' us with their ignorance....what sorry pathetic lives you 'haters' live.....i hope hawk listens to how intelligent nepaclown and whosyurdummy are on college football--if anyone knows how to build a qualilty program over the past 10 years its nebraska fan....maybe hawk should go out and find a senior transfer crybaby qb like sam keller and if any coach knows how to build a strong program over 3-4 year period its bill calahan....taking advice from nebraska fans on how to build a strong football program is like taking advice from george bush on how build strong country---both are dumb are rocks and should just go away and be quiet....hey nepa--hows that cody hawkins fan club coming along? did you listen to 'stan' again this morning during your "jazzercise" workouts??

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i think coach fairchild should swtich to the west coast offense..........i think the rams should schedule more 'creampuffs' in the pre-season to make the fans feel better, like at nebraska......and lets get some fancy luxury boxes in hughes stadium.......we gotta get more 25 blue chip high school all-american studs to come to play at CSU so at least on paper we have a top 10 team, like they do at nebraska......and we love playing the buffs at invesco field every year......sincerely, nepaRAM...let's go rammin!!!

Posted by rabeu on October 15, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nepa, read the post. He didn't say that they played college ball for 10 years, just that by the time they got to college they had probably been playing for 10 years. Also, redshirt frosh/sophmore, they are still essentially rookies put in a starting position.

Of course they know the fundamentals, but being a starter, and being under live fire on the field so to speak, is vastly different than just practice. It doesn't even have to be rookies that we are talking about. The Broncos line has been okay to start the season, but their running game won't be really starting to click until this unit (what is it, something like all five positions are a different starter from last year) has been on the field enough time to work out how to play together.

McCbuff, this could actually be great for recruiting. If the position coaches can make this unit a solid positive for the offense before the end of the season, that will say mountains to any recruit looking for a coaching staff that can teach the position, especially with "rookies" under fire.

Posted by OutToPasture on October 15, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why does calling for a change at QB instantly make one a Buff hater? I've been to plenty of scrimmages the last couple years and based on performance, I would have started Cody, too (it has nothing to do with the fact that his dad is the head coach). He was a serviceable QB last year, when we really didn't have any other options. He didn't make many mistakes and he didn't put the team in many bad situations.

This year has been a different story. Cody has not played well all season. He has made bad plays and missed big plays in each game. Of course it's not all his fault (for example, the first pic on Saturday was a good throw that the other Cody just handed to the Kansas DB), but a change at QB to someone with a stronger arm and a little more mobility could be just the thing the energize this offense. Of course the running game is suffering! Why would anyone respect our passing game? We only have one tangible downfield threat and a QB that hasn't shown the ability to throw the ball deep.

The QB always gets the most scrutiny because he touches the ball the most often and has the most opportunities to make something happen. Our QB just isn't making enough good things happen. Calling for a change doesn't make one a Buff hater or a Cody hater.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 15, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vk - it sucks knowing that my four season tickets haven't been worth face value for over a decade, that my neighbor and his boys go down to the game pay 5 bucks a seat for great seats and walk in at kick off.

no, it's not a sell out. let's hear about all the other options this weekend - are loveland and a-basin open?

fact is that folks like buff4life would be better served trying to figure out how they could drum up more support for our average squad. at least corn fans support their team even when they bash the product.

here, even when the product is good and getting full support in the media and fans (granted that's not been often in the last 20 years), it's still hard to sell out 58,000 in arguably the most beautiful place to see a game in the world (i've been around it and to some damn cool stadiums).

kyle is plain phishing himself. no one is knee jerking about cody - simply stating a profound sense of the obvious. let's talk about team identity? offensive identity? game planning? scheming? talent development?

if we cannot move the ball against KSU, we are in for a very long day.

Posted by nepabuff on October 15, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't think changing the QB would make a difference.

This offense has deteriorated in all aspects. Can't run, can't pass, can't protect. Can't even execute well enough to get a TE pass going,have to use him as a OT for blocking.

The Offense looks confused, is inconsistant and makes a ton of mistakes.

This is not the WAC, in the Big 12 teams get after you and you have to execute consistantly.

This is not a QB problem as much as a coaching problem.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fishy, the stadium only holds 54,000, I thought you've been around for 26 years and would know something like that

vk - corn fans have every right to bash the team, they could go 0-12 and still sell out, fans like you are just plain sellouts

Posted by nolanjp on October 15, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hawkins says, " a change in quarterback would ruin the continuity"????? what continuity?

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

maybe he's referring to the continuity of the idiots posting nonsense

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 15, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

flyer - my bad, but i thought when the boxes were added that increased capacity by 4g? anyway, that's even worse.

i've been around for longer than 26, but have gone to every home game for 26.

Posted by nepabuff on October 15, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yea, like Hawkin's worshiper BF.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fishy, think you're right on that one, what is the official capacity these days?

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 15, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

flyer - it seems as though your MO is to make personal attacks, and bait and switch on issues.

do you believe the o has shown continuity and progress?

do you think cody has performed well enough to not have his performance question?

has the team shown enough progress this year?

all of those questions are legitimate. i hope that this weekend whatever schemes and game planning helfrich, hawk and the o geniuses come up with - work the clock a bit, get stewart the ball, establish a bit of a run and put cody in positions to succeed. i don't think we have a chance if the ksu offense spends more time on the field than ours.

how about telling o line: we need you to step up and punch the wildcats in the mouth a few times. try it. i bet those guys want to step up - know they have something to prove. i think stewart has proven that he can move the chains.

Posted by kimolukela on October 15, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What about the intangibles? We haven't really heard anything about Ballenger, other than his physical prowess. Cody, like Klatt, was a leader on and off the field. I hate losing as much as anybody, but we've had a lot of injuries with a very tough schedule.

Unfortunately, our schedule doesn't get any easier, and we need to find a spark. If it takes putting Grier on the o-line or starting Ballenger at QB, we should do it. The Buffs look flat, but there is always next week. Let's Go Buffs!

Posted by salsajohn on October 15, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cody Hawkins' play has regressed since his freshman season. He looks stronger, put in good work over the summer, must have a better grasp of the offense and has more playing experience, yet his play has fallen off (significantly).

I have no idea if the other QB's on the roster are the answer, but it can't be denied that Cody is just not as good a player as he was last season. Other than the CSU win, he hasn’t impressed me in any other 2008 game.

I'm not hating on the Buffs; just pointing out something obvious and alarming.

Nepatalli drives me nuts with his two-faced method of criticizing Dan Hawkins, while baselessly fawning over Bo Pelini and Nebraska (i.e. 3-3 record, horrible home losses, recruiting failures and coaching/player meltdowns). That said, NepaT is truthful with SOME (not all) of his criticism of Cody and the Coach.

Posted by bzainthemd on October 15, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The one thing I keep coming back to in Hawk's comments are: "I think if you're a little trigger happy ... if you resort to emotion, that you sometimes have an issue where it may not be all that guy's fault. You just kind of feel like emotionally that's what you should do even though there is not a lot of tangible evidence there that says, 'Yeah this is all on you' "

If I remember correctly, B Jax was not our starter in 2006 for the Montana State game. Wasn't James Cox...Then...Hawkins threw in B Jax. It seemed like that was a quick fix.

I'm not a Cody hater...but I do think his play is limiting our team. He underthrew at least 3 deep balls to open receivers in the KU game alone. His passes get knocked down too often and his throws lack velocity. I know I've supported him in the past, but I think this is a trend. When safeties don't respect the pass, they can play the run. And when we can't run, we can't have a play action game. Cody's height isn't the problem. Chase Daniel and Reesing are about as tall as he is. His problem, when compared to these guys, is lack of escapability and lack of arm strength.

Thus, I think this is a perfect game to give Ballenger a chance. He is unproven, but he has what Cody doensn't. Arm strength and escapability. Just my opinion. Either way...GO BUFFS!

Posted by roamingbuff on October 15, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have been a big Cody fan since he came to CU. I tink he is a gammer -a student of the game - maybe the best we have right now, etc. Not to mention - a great kid.

But I have also expressed the need for change for exactly the same reason as what Klatt mentioned in that final paragraph of the article. I have said a change could totally affect Cody's perspective and help him mentally. Exactly as in the Klatt situation.

I have said over and over that if you change - Ballenger might provide a spark. He might do better than people expect. If so - great - we're ahead of the game. If not - you bring Cody back -
just like in Klatt's case - and it might have a much needed impact on Cody.

I wonder if coaches are not going to give Ballanger a legit shot because he might do better than Cody - and then coaches really would have a QB controversey to deal with.

I bet it will turn out more like what happened with Klatt and Cox. But maybe not. Either way - CU benefits. If Ballenger comes through - CU benefits. If he doesn't and Cody cames back stronger and better - CU benefits.

If CU were in the hunt for the North title - I wouldn't mess wit it. But they way things are going.....

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fishy - your questions have been answered with varying degrees of eloquence a hundred times by a dozen posters including me....yet you still keep asking them

Posted by abuffinne on October 15, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have been a coach Dan and Cody Hawkins supporter from the day that Cody took the reigns. I was even a believer that he was the proper choice for the job when we had no passing game and only 2 wins a couple of seasons ago. But now I have this image in my head of a reciever running wide open 15 yards from the line of scimmage and a young bewildered qb not seeing him, and then the image of the same qb ducking his head and running almost girl like into the endzone. And then actually thinking about throwing the ball away left handed. That was about all I could take. I have been waiting for a glimpse of the poise and ability I saw last year (it is his 2nd year starting, and there is no reason that Cody shouldn't be better) We have a couple of the best young running backs in the big 12, if not the country, in the backfield, but without a passing attack or the threat of a qb taking off with the ball (aka: Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Texas, or Kansas.) then the rest of the running game is going to suffer, inexperienced line or not. Cody has had plenty of time to throw the ball, and if he would look around a little, many times could actually run for alot of yardage instead of waiting for the hit in the backfield.
I am not for rotating the qb's, but I would definately not wait until the game is lost to pull the cold one out. Infact watching from the sidelines may give him some insight to help slow the game down a little. It is definately way too fast for him at the moment.

Posted by ksbuff on October 15, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fish makes a great point about holding onto the ball, putting Cody in positions to succeed, and moving the chains on the ground. CU has to run to pass, KSU has to pass to run. KSU can pass, CU hasn't shown the ability to run effectively. Adv. KSU. KSU's defense has stopped NOONE even lowly A & M, CU has slowed Pat White, Held the horns to fewer points then the Sooners, and did well against KU depsite the score. Adv. CU. Defense wins games, and hopefully this is just another example of that. Go Buffs.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

buffalo crasher

Been a buff fan for a long time. Hate the cream and scarlet. Now you just get out of your little cessna and quit berating everybody.

We have our opinions and if you don't like em don't read em

Your little recatnator you! So there.

Sit cody down. Give him a break.

The offense is offensive.

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"at least corn fans support their team even when they bash the product"--what message boards are you talking about?? all i read and hear are husker fans bashing the buffs with no legit criticism of their team. and why are huskers in here anyway?? how does bashing the buffs make their product better?? it doesnt, it just makes them look silly and still bitter over what happened to erin crouch in 2001...i know nepa is your lil buddy but get real.....if the buffs are this same point next year with the same "issues" then we start to talk about player position and even some coaching changes...but to "abandoned" this team with the injuries and inexperience is just absurd and i expect better support and knowledge from buff nation....and to take advice from nebraska fans with "debalce" of a program that they have watched for 10 years is just laughable....maybe if we played western michigan, new mexico and san jose state we could feel better and more hopeful about our "product" like they do and then go "bash" other prgorams, right nepa??

Posted by buffalobilly on October 15, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

None of you guys solve anything. It is amusing at times but reminds me of the gossip books spread around in Jr. H.S. Why don't you just watch the game on Saturday, and I bet half of these questions and comments will be either be discounted,totally debunked or maybe even accredited.In the meantime find work or climb the flatirons.

Posted by nolanjp on October 15, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

this team is such a wreck right now, there is no way we beat kansas state on saturday. we will have to score 30+ points on saturday to beat them and that aint gonna happen!

Posted by nepabuff on October 15, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I haven't noticed any husker fans in here.

I have, however, noticed anyone with constructive criticism shouted down and called a husker fan (amoung other things).

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 15, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What do u do for living Nepa? Your presence on these boards is astounding! 15-20 posts per thread... Geese man! Turn the computer off and go for a walk.

Seriously, the energy you expend here is quite remarkable! If you had focused it on something useful, you might really have something of worth.

Posted by oldbuffer on October 15, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My only concern about starting Ballenger is what it might do to his confidence. If he is constantly running for his life, he may get into the bad habit of his first read being who is going to hit him rather than who is open. I'm not worried about Cody's confidence - he's a gamer and would react like Klatt did. He'd still lead the team from the bench.

I will also agree that a stronger arm is needed. Too many times we've seen defensive backs closing on the receiver because there was too much air under the ball. We haven't seen enough of Ballenger yet to get a good feel of his accuracy, but we need to stretch the field.

With the exception of Missouri, we're entering the relatively soft part of the schedule, and shouldn't see quite as fierce a pass rush. If Cody is still at less than 50% by half time Sat, I'd say it's time for the change, especially if we've generated any kind of run offense.

Posted by DrTom on October 15, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think KSU is going to stomp CU this week.

They both have poor defenses that give up points.

KSU is putting 40 points a game on the board, CU can't hardly score a point.

Look for a blowout against a bad team. Not a good matchup at all.

Posted by LVBuff on October 15, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Funny McClainbuff, you say that the Buffs will be destroyed but the experts here in Vegas don't agree with your assessment. CU is -3 (that means favored by 3) heading into the KSU game, the wise guys here have been correct every game this year so far about CU. It would appear they think CU will make you have to come back next week and eat your words. I'll bet you won't have a peep to say then. Go Buffs!!

Posted by bouldabuff on October 15, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree oldbuffer - if Cody can't lead this offense on a couple of long, sustained drives in the first half against a bottom tier defense then maybe we look to shake things up.

Our defense is a lot better than people think - it's just a lot harder with no depth and your offense going three and out consistently. Look for our D to step up this weekend.

Posted by RashaanSalaam on October 15, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The QB isn't going to make a difference with an O line is as young and depleted as the Buffs' is. That said, I think they should give Ballenger some more playing time earlier in the game if Cody is once again under non-stop pressure. We have nothing to lose at this point in the season. If for nothing less, I think they should do this to simply give Cody a break and some needed rest and rejuvenation. He can't keep sitting back there getting his a** handed to him and hope to gain any confidence. His confidence has obviously dwindled as is. Our O line is a mess; we have a running game that is beyond weak (with the exception of Rodney Stewart) and extremely sub par receivers.

I mean, give me a break. At 5'11, 175 lbs, Cody Crawford shouldn't even be an option as a Big 12 receiver. Patrick Williams has always intrigued me, but it's now apparent that he's never going to materialize (he's now a senior and still can't produce). McKnight is a solid slot receiver, who can make key possession & first-down type receptions, but is no threat otherwise. Josh Smith is a deep threat and is improving, but is really the only weapon and has yet to make BIG plays on a consistent basis.

If we can get a healthy (and experienced) O line back and RECRUIT big time, play-making receivers and a big time, play-making QB I like the future.

Unfortunately though, we need to thing defense too. The D is not as vulnerable and seems to have fewer holes to fill, but we can't forget about it (especially the D line).

Hopefully Ray Polk is the real deal and is gaining from his redshirt year because I don't know what the future holds for Scott. I wouldn't be surprised if he transfers. He came in out of shape (hence the nagging injuries) and has been upstaged by a 5'6", 170 lb, two star recruit who wasn't given a shot at most MAC teams. Sad. It's all about desire and heart and it seems as though Scott lacks those two intangibles.

Until then, our offensive output relies solely on Rodney Stewart. And we had better hope that our D can continue to give their best effort to just keep us in games. That's disappointing.

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 15, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fish tells us the OLine issues shouldn't be used as an excuse for the offensive struggles, but why deny the reality of the situation? Is it a coincidence that CU is tied with Baylor at #95 nationally in Sacks Allowed with 14? Texas A&M is the lone Big 12 program with more, 17, which ranks them at #110. Given that fact, it's no surprise CU and Baylor are tied for #86 nationally in Tackles for Loss Allowed with 38. I read that Cody was sacked 15 times in 13 games last year, this year it's 11 in 6. Ballenger, in 4 series, has been sacked 3 times. Just in the KU game alone, there were 4 "hurries" and 3 of those came on failed 3rd down conversions. Is it a coincidence that 10 of the 14 sacks have occurred in the last 3 games? By no means am I dismissing Cody's struggles in the accuracy department, but lets get real about some of the factors contributing to the problem.Any QB, regardless of who they are, won't be as efficient if they're being pressured. Hopefully, Helfrich will call more roll-outs this week.

Posted by DrTom on October 15, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LVBuff , you'd best take KSU in that bet, the wise guys are only giving them 3 points because it's at home and KSU's defense sucks.

If it turns to a shoot out, KSU wins easy.

Posted by extrapoint on October 15, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you forgot the TEs Rashaan. Devenny has developed into a fine receiving TE and I think Geer had an excellent first year. Where have they gone?

It is obvious Cody will start against the mildcats. If this game is a repeat of the last 3 that means any bowl hopes are out the window. Considering that, Give Ballenger the next several games to improve. If he doesnt you can always go back to Cody. He has 2 more years of eligibility.
Yes the O line is a problem area for both qbs, but 4 bad games in a row doesnt qualify as "trigger happy"

Posted by BlackAndGold on October 15, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rashaan...thank you for backing me up. I've basically been saying the same thing. I will repeat some other points:

Mr. Hawkins and staff, your returning players on offense are showing no progress. Everyone said you would be able to turn average talent into good players because you can coach, like you did at Boise State. Sumler and Moyd are lousy. Nelson isn't even on the radar as a back-up option (Your job is to mold this guy and if you can't mold him it means either your coaching or recruiting is suspect, because to date he is a bust...and a waste of money). The receivers drop balls. Scott showed up out of shape. The 2nd string players are unprepared to step into a starting role. To date your ability to coach 2 star athletes to a higher level has not worked. The offense looked like a deer in the headlights of a freight train against FSU, Texas, and KU. (Paralized and run-over) I didn't expect you to win those games. But I didn't expect a tail whipping that looked like a bottom tier WAC/MW team playing a BCS team...because that is what the team looked like.

These are fair assessments of your program. I'm not saying we should fire the coaching staff or come down on the kids so hard that they loose confidence. I'm just saying Hawk Love needs a lot more Tough Love. (And I get the Hawk Love strategy. After Barnett, the athletes, the administration, the fans, the town of Boulder...they all needed it. Those wounds are healed now and it was the right strategy for the time. So, times have changed and the strategy needs to change too.)

On a side note, go get some tennis ball canons. Fire 1000 balls a day at those receives. Give them one week with the machine, after that, every dropped ball is a sprint. (Btw, TexasTech use a tennis ball canon as a drill...espn did a story on it....look at their passing game.)

Posted by flabuff227 on October 15, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

blackand gold... FOR YOU TO SAY SUMLER hasn,t improved is ridiculous. Whats your barometer? The fact that he runs behind a depleted line. The only reason stewart has had success is he can mmake plays by himself. He has constantly made something out of nothing

Posted by ckhutch on October 15, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh there is change in the air, and I'm not talking about a QB change. There are going to be some good things happening this week. Just wait and watch. This is gonna be a great game to be a buff fan. Stats, execution, excuses and controversy have nothing on gut instinct magic mojo. There is a renewed sense of unity and vigor thats going to spill out on the field saturday, and I can't wait to be a part of it.

Posted by BlackAndGold on October 15, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Without a line all of the RB's, besides Speedy, are useless. And that means a lot. Because RB's are the type of positions where YOUR JOB is to make things happen. I can't believe you don't get this. Also, do you seriously watch Sumler play and say, you know what that guy is good and he looks better than he did last year. I don't.

Posted by Saheeb on October 15, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If we don't have the line to run nor protect the QB well I hope we start doing some things like quick outs/side throws to the RBs, TE, screen passes, etc. before the rush can get in on him. They're rolling Cody out some to try to compensate for that, and the D-line batting some his balls down, but it's not working real well it appears. I saw a few teams last weekend counter teams with great pass rush this way quite effectively. Wonder if it might work for us as well.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

2 tight end sets don't work when the guards are getting blown off the line, its a straight shot to the qb and thats been a problem since EWU. They have to figure out how to shore up the line or its goodbye to bowling

Posted by GoBuffs07 on October 15, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They should hire the offensive line coach from barnett era. He was much better than grimes.

Dan HAwkins should be worried that Bohn doesn't yank his a-- out instead. He has won 11 games in 3 years.

Posted by DrTom on October 15, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How is it that we hired a "genius" at offense and are last in the big 12 in Passing, rushing, points scored and tied for last in conference wins??

It's time the coaches quit getting a free pass by the press.

Posted by BlackAndGold on October 15, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

At the end of this year Hawkins and Bohn should be evaluating the O'Line coach, the OC, special teams coach, RB coach, and the quarterbacks coach.

On a grad scale I would give them the following:
O'Line C-
Offecnsive Coordinator C-
Special Teams D+
QB Coach C-
RB Coach D+ (No existing talent has shown growth and Speedy is new)

excuses are for wussies. improve from hear out, or its time determine who is not meeting realistic expecations for year 4.

Posted by bouldabuff on October 15, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What exactly are realistic expectations BlackAndGold? Did you really think a team starting this many freshmen and sophomores was going to win 8-10 games?

Go onto Rivals or Scout and check out the CU commits from 2004 and 2005. These players should be the leaders of this team - more than half of them aren't even around anymore. Some of the ones that you do see - like Gardner McKay, Kevin Moyd, and Devin Head- are getting outplayed by redshirt freshman and sophomores.

This team is very young and not very deep - so when you lose players like MTM, Miller, Itlis, Simas, Burney, Katoa, Major, Hudgins, Celestine, Tau -- all players that were starters or could have been significant contributors --- then you have to readjust your expectations, especially with a team this young.

Posted by buffatheart on October 15, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You got that right, WhosyourDaddy.
The CU QB job belonged to Cody while he was still in high school and there won't be any changes as long as Dan Hawkins is the coach.
They recruited Nelson, M.V juco with 2 yrs. college football experience under his belt. The next thing you know, the coaches son freshman is trying out for starter, with Helfrich stating to the daily camera, "Cody is a tad better than Nelson."
Reminds me of the Bugs Bunny "101 Rabbit Tales."
Help me understand this. I'm just not quite getting it. How can a kid fresh out of high school be a "tad better" than someone who is already playing at college level?
And it won't be any different with Ballinger either, regardless of how good he is.
Lil Hawk will always be a "tad better."

Posted by buffatheart on October 15, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Coach Hawkins said "making a change at quarterback is a delicate matter." You can say that again.
It sure is a delicate matter when it happens to be his son.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the offense is offensive. the offensive is offensive.

Okay depleted line.
Okay tough to run.
Okay tough to pass

The play calling sucks period. Watch the replay of the game. Very interesting.
Okay poor execution in a lot of cases.

It still comes to the QB position. Cody is an average player and playing below his average level.

6 games 6 average to poor performances at the QB position.

Make a change. Check it out. If B can't do it then put Cody back in. Give B a half to work it out. My god you have given Cody 19 games and look what you got.

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 4:12 p.m.

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Posted by BlackAndGold on October 15, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

B4L...i just suggested you for removal. if anything is offensive, it is your last post.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

b4l

you are a typical loser "street fan" with no connection to the buffs. You just make that up. Probably never been to a game unless you are working at it selling snow cones.

Now pick up that beer and relax, and remember to file your extended unemployment form today so that you can keep supporting your parents.

Go buffs.

Start the stampede this weekend.

6 and 0 here we go.
LOSER

jeepers b4l you are blinded by the light.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

b and g

leave him alone. banning is not a good thing as it starts a bad trend.

okay fine

I still say the team needs to meet with Ralphie to understand what a real buffalo is like.

Coaches as well.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the vitriol needs to be redirected to KSU - those f(c&6@r$ need a beatdown

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

how many times are LOSERS gonna keep 'posting" the same tired 'takes'.....we get it VK, dumba**, you dont like hawk, his son, or the current buff team.....go away and come back when the team has a different look or starts to play better, you pathetic loser.....props to other buff fan "posts" for trying find ways for the current team to play better....it's just too bad that the internet reaches certain trailer and farm areas and that drunk losers cannot find anything better to do than 'rehash' their own tired stupid "hawk suck" takes...its like the most LOSERS in one place i have ever seen, why do you jerkoffs pick here to "hangout"??......im tired of reading you LOSERS stuff....

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"start the stampede this weekend" but i hate the current coaches and players but hey "go buffs"... i think you have finally got the top LOSER spot pal....thank god im not a sorrya** fan like you......now have another beer LOSER and cant wait to read your next "hawk sucks" babble....maybe try posting in french so you i dont yawn everytime you post......"hawk cant coach", "cody cant throw", blah, blah, blah...what is worse??--husker fans still mad over 62-36 or drunk 'dimwitted' buff fans that 'rehash' their same ol takes 50 times a day"", you decide.....both are pathetic...

Posted by salsajohn on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hate KSU more than any other team, including Nebraska.

I'm glad Michael Bishop never fulfilled his NFL dreams. I hope he’s changing tires somewhere.

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

........fight CU down the field........CU must win.....fight fight for victory......CU knows no defeat.....we'll roll up a mighty score....never give in...SHOULDER2SHOULDER...we will FIGHT!FIGHT!....FIGHT!FIGHT!FIGHT!......more than anytime in our history do we need to get behind these kids and coaches that play for the UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO BUFFALOES football team....we believe in you and will never turn our backs on you guys.....now get after KSU on saturday and know that some fans, even if only a few these days, are behind you all the way....LET'S GO BUFFALOES!!!!!!!!

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

im not to fond of the 'mildcats' myself salsa, remember darren sproles?? and do you remember the game at folsom a few years ago when we threw a long pass at the end of the game to win the game?? i forgot who the qb-klatt?? and receiver- was but it was a great game...the game last year in manhattan was hard to watch....

Posted by bouldabuff on October 15, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe it was Klatt to McCoy - the one time McCoy actually out-ran somebody.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

b4l
buff 4 loser

You are a disrespectful child. Please get you diapers changed so you are not so irritable. You goofball we are behind them. You are a missguided furball with no connection to the Buffs. You copy the fight song and probably do not even know the tune.

You are a disgrace to real buffalo fans with a true connection to the school and the team.

Now go take your nap

Posted by reallifeshocker on October 15, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

k-state has not played the schedule, not even close, that colorado has. inexplicably, they can't stop anyone, ever, especially in the second half. they win with offense, and more importantly, special teams. they want one, maybe two touchdowns on specials. they expect to dominate this aspect of the game, and hope to hold their own offensively, cause they have no corporate confidence they can keep other teams from scoring, lots. colorado must be ready.

Posted by joseph.l.coleman on October 15, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Two major issues as I see it.
1. Buffs have not had an above average QB, or lately an average QB, for 15 years. Ochs could have been but we know what happened there.
2. No passing to RBs or TEs. They try and go downfield to much and that is not a strength. Need to start trying some toss sweeps as well.

Posted by 20buff on October 15, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

buff4life: The pass at the end of the game you are referring to was Klatt to Ron Monteilh. Great moment in Buff football history.

Posted by BlackAndGold on October 15, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

B4L...its people like you that prevent people from meeting their true potential. pressure is good for people. pressure makes people show their true potential, or their true character. in life and in competitive positions people need to realize when they are NOT meeting expectations.

you are the momma's boy of this website...lay off the wheat grass buddy and open a can of man.

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i thought it was mccoy but it was monteilh...yea derek wasnt too fast and ron was about 4-9 tall, lol...i was surprised that dj hackett played in the NFL like he did....why cant we get more big fast receivers??....hey black and gold, im done "dummying" myself down to you buff 'haters' today, it's just so hard to read posts of fans 'bashing' this team, it really is getting a bit old and tired....its a young team with injuries and inexperience and they need our support not constant negative B.S..these are our coaches and players for now, and if they dont get the job done both can be replaced but im not giving up on them yet.....and its not the "wheat" grass that im on, only "da kind" for me my confused "not really" black and gold friend, and he called me a "misguided furbal", lol, why i gotta be all that??? i really wish i had enough power to keep people from reaching their true potential but thanx for the compliment......BUFFS 35 mildcats 21

Posted by nolanjp on October 15, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bouldabuff=-------------McCoy? are you really making fun of him? he is 10X better than any receiver we have had since he left. McCoy and Hackett oh how I miss them. that ron monteilh, made one important catch his whole career, so he belongs in the same category as patrick williams. speaking of good receivers, aubrey quarles, one that got away from us and went to ksu is doing pretty well so far.

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...it's off the subject but check out the moon around sunset and sundown, it looks awesome this time of year, especially the moon in the AM over the mountains in the west, around 6:45 am.....good stuff.....I LOVE COLORADO......GO BUFFS!!!

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

b4l

you are absolutely right about that.

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

....i do wish we had mccoy and hackett on this team with josh smith in the 'slot' and i think klatt would have played better under hawkins system....klatt would have played in hawk's first year instead of bjax, but he wasted his first year of elgibility under barnett, i think.....

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KSU has a lot of JUCO speed players that can give us problems......i remember last year's game and we were chasing them fools around all frikkn day....i checked out buff stampede today and we have 2 possible qb's coming, one about 6-5....and there was a receiver on there also...maybe we need to start getting more JUCO players.....next year with the O line healthy, polk, scott and 'speedy' in the backfield and the qb spot 'settled' we have to be better....but gotta get playmaker big recievers...i think defense we be solid...i cant believe im already thinkn next year....if the buffs could beat KSU, ISU, nebs and OSU or mizzou and get to fairly good bowl game, then this season was okay, wishful thinking???? or is winnning one more game period have to be good enough, that just kills me, i hate my saturdays and weekends being ruined by buff losses,......GO BUFSS!!!

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 15, 2008 at 6:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, here I thought providing some facts about Sacks Allowed (10 of 14 in the last 3 games) and Tackles for Loss Allowed might generate some thoughts on the matter, obviously I was wrong. Apparently none of you believe the abundance of sacks and hurries, for both QB's, has contributed to the offensive struggles.I thought it was very telling. I find it interesting that fans would rather dwell on Hawk's relationship with his son, than look at what I believe is a major issue, the young, depleted, inexperienced OLine. Cody's been sacked at a much higher rate than `07 and Ballenger's already gone down 3 times in 4 series.Any Head Coach will tell you the offense starts with the OLine and right now, it's not a strong point for the Buffs. In the near future it will be, but not at the moment.

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 15, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

buff4life...according to Scout.com, KSU had 32 recruits sign a LOI in `08, 19 were JUCO's. I don't know how many of those 19 are playing this season, but clearly Prince was desperate to win now after not going bowling last season. They dropped Fresno State from this year's schedule and replaced them with an automatic "W" instead.
I'd much rather build a program with guys that will be in Boulder for 4-5 years.The Buffs were pursuing JUCO All American WR Corey Surrency this past recruiting cycle, he signed with Florida State, has 6 catches in 5 games, with 1 start. Mohler, the lone JUCO CU signed, has worked out well, but who knows how many of those guys make big contributions to D1 programs?

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 15, 2008 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

are you really surprised that logic gets nowhere with the flunkies, the whole team feeds off the o-line, but whatever, most of these bashers have an agenda they're too scared to reveal

and vk - you're really edging towards curmudgeon, go eat some oatmeal and sit under a sunlamp, you don't want the winter blues setting in too early

Posted by houston_buff on October 15, 2008 at 6:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If we lose by 30 to KSU do you stick with Cody the rest of the year?

Posted by nolanjp on October 15, 2008 at 6:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

houston_buff-------- i don't think the offense will do any better this week against ksu....why would they? motivation? obviously we have noticed this coaching staff can't motivate. i would hope in the second quarter if cody is struggling, that coach hawk will throw ballenger in there a lot earlier.

Posted by extrapoint on October 15, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nolan
they are finally playing a team with a mediocre or even subpar D.

Posted by reallifeshocker on October 15, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this is game is pivotal. lose, final record: 3-9; 4-8, if lucky. win, well then, maybe 7-5, 6-6. the lugnuts on this buff vehicle are loose, and any further wobbling, and, you know we're in the ditch and on fire. no sugar-caoting this mass of feculence: absolute, positive "must-win" game.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

diz

Of course the o line is a problem. Sorry crap happens. Are you saying that the coaches can't redefine some offensive plays that take advantage of what is left of the o line?

Last year Cody surprised the d coordinators. They have him figured out now and cut him out of the play right away because they know he probably cannot make the tough play. B has to run the same dumb plays defined by the OC for Cody so what do you expect?

Sure the O line has injury issues but to lay the blame on them is ridiculous. It starts with the coaches and continues immediately to the QB. He has digressed but mostly he has been made "non-relevant" by the opposing dc's.

Watch the opposing d-lines and see what they do.

They power rush and when the get done power rushing they really power rush. The linebackers look for speedy or whomever and the dbacks can watch for speedy as well. They know there is no deep threat. They know there is no "jamming it quickly into a tight place. They just attack Cody and then attack him some more. Sure he has a couple of good plays a game that sometimes do something nice. But it is the 4 to 6 disaster plays he has that kills us and is caused by the "attack Cody" strategy and you can beat the buffs.

And those mistakes give even inept offenses usual great field position.

I am not convinced the offensive schemes have played into whatever the strengths of Cody are. If you could have a montage of the offensive plays run by the buffs this year you would shut it off early. It is a joke.

Hey I support the buffs. I support Hawk and his drive to continually get better. I will suffer through or celebrate with whatever we end-up with.

I will not let Hawk (continually get better) or the team (continually get better) off the hook from continually getting better. They need to walk this walk and I am not seeing it. I am patient but I expect to see it.

Make Cody the backup for this game. Get a new start. It cannot be any worse eh?

uh oh buffaloes.

Ralphie, please go explain to these young buffs and the 3 year coaching staff what a buffalo really is.

Rockn.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 15, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And no-fly thanks for the advice. People like you are really talking to yourself and do it continually. Medical studys of the mind prove it.
It appears you are a football player wannabe but could not cut it after high school. Glory days must be your theme song eh?

Hey played a great 18 today. You?

Now get that little 150 moving and get the dishes washed so you can get home.

Posted by nolanjp on October 15, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

extrapoint-----i would take a struggling defense to outplay a struggling offense any day of the week.....it's going to be harder to score for us than you think.

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

listen up coach.......i cant do this, i cant have these kind of "squabbles" with buff fans-we are few compared to other programs but are strong in our passion, we bleed black and gold and we love saturdays....use this season to assess and establish a "way" that we are going to win.....i'm really trying to 'lobby' for your system and for cody, can't cody hawkins be another koy detmer buff fans??, but coach we cant be talking about these same issues and concerns next season....i do believe in you coach. beating OU, west virginia, nebraska, texas tech and almost beating georgia tells me we can win with you.....this is the big 12 and you acceptetd the challenge knowing that and i love the idea of a small town good coach and man taking us back to the promise land.....IN HAWK WE TURST.....and during these times buff fans try and watch COLROADO FOOTBALL HISTORY PART I and II on utube and remember who WE are......go buffs!!!!

Posted by nolanjp on October 15, 2008 at 7:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

koy detmer had a very strong arm and heart that no other buff has. koy detmer had a rifle of an arm.

Posted by houston_buff on October 15, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and cody throws with both hands...kind of

Posted by vegasbufffan on October 15, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I used to think we had a bunch of immature CU fans here mixed with the usual mentally challenged nebraska loner, in his moms basement, like nepa.

But its obvious we got a bunch of pretenders, as if claiming to be a Buff Fan, and then bashing CU gives them credibility to CU fans. Hell, even nepa is claiming to be a Buff Fan. You are all just blowing hot air with nothing of value to say.

Hate to blow your bubble, but no matter how often you write. The Hawk will still be the coach & Cody will still be the QB, and you will still be the bitter flamer gasping for credibility and attention.

Posted by buff4life on October 15, 2008 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

koy was my favorite buff qb, he used to sprint all the way down the field to the receiver when he threw a TD, and if wasnt for those huskers and tommie frazier we might have played for titles during that time.....and i watched the nuggets v suns preseason game and i like the roster, the game was outside!! and if anybody needs to 'step up' this season, its that frikkn carmelo anthony---less smiling, more defense....and remember when koy did his "spanking that a**" stuff with the eagles to brett favre and the packers...love that guy, go buffs!!!

Posted by nolanjp on October 15, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

buff4life------ i hear ya, koy was a great qb, my favorite too. if it wasn't for darn nebraska we could have played in the national championship games in 94 and 95 no doubt.

Posted by BlackAndGold on October 15, 2008 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hey vegasbuffan..dude, let me help you step into 2008...reporters read these blogs. take a look around at the news stories this week...where do you guys think these writers get story ideas from...or there questions...they use ALL of their resources....and fan based blogs are where ideas and get tossed out almost by the minute....being either propped up or torn apart.

Denver Post:
Colorado coaches are working on "creative ways" to get tight ends and running backs more involved in the passing game, Hawkins said.

Buffzone.com:
Geer said his role has changed as the oldest and strongest tight end on the roster. He is needed to help in blocking, particularly in the wake of two injuries to starting offensive linemen.

Tight ends coach Kent Riddle said Geer is the best blocker he has among his group of tight ends

...uhhhhhh, TE blocking and short passes...hear that anywhere...oh yeah...since sunday morning on these blogs.

its not all coming from here...i would be crazy to say that...but if were a reporter and a bunch of bloggers had tossed out an idea and my job was to ask questions and write stories...you bet i'd be cruising these blogs.

Posted by buffalobilly on October 15, 2008 at 9:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Id like to know where the hurry up offense idea went. That philosophy didnt last long.

Posted by nolanjp on October 15, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

did we even see the hurry up offense??? i think we tried and i didn't really see a true "hurry up" offense anyways. you would think if they implemented something in the offseason that they would stick to it

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 15, 2008 at 9:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Heart - Good to hear your opinion, but let me warn you that you have to have a thick skin to particpate in this discussion. If you you even mention that Cody's hair doesn't look too good you will be cussed at, accused of being the same person as the other 100 people who has noted Cody's deficiencies, and worst of all, accused of being Tom Osbourne.

If you go so far as to say something really inflamatory like: "Cody doesn't seem to be very tall" his worshipers will track you down and seek revenge.

So welcome to the discussion! ...and don't pay any attention to buff4life we think he's trying to incorporate the CU fight song into his Jazzercise routine.

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 15, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again, whosyourdaddy mischaracterizing what goes on here...it's not that Buffs fans mind a fellow Buff Backer expressing their issues with Hawk/Cody, it's what fanatics do...but in the case of nepa/whos, it's the CONSTANT, WORN OUT, REPETITIVE, REDUNDANT BASHING of all things Hawkins that eventually wears thin...seriously, by now, they'd have to be utter morons to believe their Hawk Hate Cult hasn't gotten their message across...what's the point, other than to get a rise out of Buffs fans? I know that's how trolls operate on threads, but there must be a point where this ridiculous drivel has to end...

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 15, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

See what I mean?

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 15, 2008 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL...so rather than challenge my assertion of how you and your buddy nepa behave here, you come up with another off-the-mark response that completely avoids the topic...I'll give you this, daddy, you know if you attempted to defend your CONSTANT, WORN OUT, REPETITIVE, REDUNDANT BASHING of all things Hawkins, you'd be even more of a laughingstock than you already are...typically, 100% of your thread posts display your disdain for the Hawkins family, it gets kind of old...and ineffective...but hey, I know it's what you think about when you rise each day, so if that's what you need to get your jollies, too bad for you...

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 15, 2008 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's a tidbit from a Rivals.com article (just for daddy and nepa's pleasure): If Cody Hawkins' last name was Smith, would he still be the Buffaloes’ starting quarterback? The answer is yes. He has received no favors because he is the son of the head coach. But the longer Hawkins struggles behind center, the more people will clamor for a change.

Posted by vegasbufffan on October 16, 2008 at 12:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The repetition like a broken record among those who pretend to be CU fans is for a reason.

No one gives a rats --- about their opinion because you can spot a phony transparent hater real quick, and as a result, they are frustrated.

No one will make any changes no matter how often a kid with a zit filled face writes on this board under the false pretence (he cares about CU).

When you sit day after day and express a consistent pattern of hate, then turn around and claim to be a CU fan then you are not only a liar, but no one is buying your BS.

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 16, 2008 at 1:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I read this over at Fox Sports, a quote from Jim Harbaugh: "If you say what is a good football team, or is a football team ready to play, you'll judge a defense by the way they tackle,'' Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh said. "On the offensive side, can they block? Can the backs block? Can the backs play physical? That's just any football team. If you're going to be a good football team, you better be able to tackle and you better be able to block.'' It seems like the Buffs defense tackles ok, but blocking is clearly a problem right now. Harbaugh's starting 2 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 1 Soph on his OLine.Can't wait until the Buffs OLine has some experience under their belts as well. Stanford's not great, but they're 4-3, 3-1 in conference and Harbaugh attributes much of that to their OLine's play...

Posted by vkberlinn on October 16, 2008 at 6:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

diz,

they also have not elway yettttttttttt.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 16, 2008 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Top QB's won't be coming to CU for quite sometime. The issue is the perception of unfairness. Top QB prospects won't put up with that kind of uncertainty and they will go elsewhere.

Just look at what has happened to our recent QB recruits:

Walters - moved to DB

Geer - moved to TE

Cox - run off

White - run off

Jackson - thrown into an untenable situation and then made the scapegoat.

Devenny - moved to TE

Nelson - duped into thinking he might get a fair shot.

Ballenger - will never play meaningful minutes

Hansen - will transfer next year

Cody - knows the playbook really, really, well!

Posted by Saheeb on October 16, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dizonrocks: thanks for the insights. I live in the Bay Area and, even though I'm (secondly) a Cal fan and hate Stanford their play has improved dramatically. They play with fire, tackle well and are getting some speed guys. One thing I did notice very soon after Hawk took over is that the horrible tackling of the Neuheisel and Barnett years quickly disappeared. The first guy who got to the ball carrier/receiver actually wrapped them up finally. The big plays have diminished considerably. I think the D has tackled well for a few years now, except for a handful of games.

Posted by PRBcitizen12 on October 16, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I admit these sites get negative from time to time, and they should continue. We are fans of a team that was a consistent figure on the national stage throughout the 90's> We have suffered through 5 full years of ineptitude. We have seen our team continually embarrassed on national television. We have seen Missouri and -say it aint so- KANSAS become the powers of the Bg 12 north. Let me restate- KANSAS and MISSOURI at the top. I dont see how you can take issue with people looking for answers to what is wrong with the team. We are fans that are hurting because our beloved program refuses to let us hold onto any real hope. Dont say that we are not fans because we have high expectations that are continually let down.

Posted by BuffTime on October 16, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's some reality Whos:

Walters - "moved to DB"- Yes and he has a real shot at a pro career at DB. ANd he is a Senior this year so who made that move?

Geer - "moved to TE" - Ditto on the shot at a pro career as a TE.

Cox - "run off" Really? Run off? Is that what we call graduation these days? Cox was a Barnett recruit and played sparingly his entire career. Klatt wasn't the most mobile QB but he was never really threatened by Cox either (one half start not withstanding).

White - "run off"- Better would be "ran off" as in couldn't handle it. He could have been the starter.

Jackson - "thrown into an untenable situation and then made the scapegoat." -Good one. Yeah, he was thrown into the fire all right. His entire career at CU he was saying how he wanted to be the QB. The coaches, fans, media kept saying how athletic he was. Again, Barnett's recruit and Barnett never seriously considered him at QB. He only ended up the starter by default. Cox crashed (mostly by being immobile), White transferred and Cody was red shirted. That left BJax. Considering how he ended up, I think he was seriously lacking in the brains/judgment area and that ultimately did him in.

Devenny - "moved to TE"- If he had a shot at QB they would have left him there. You may notice all over the country there are players who used to be QBs in high school and now playing any number of positions in college other than QB. You might also notice that there have been several college QBs moved to other positions in the pros. But yeah, CU is the only one and they do it only so that Cody can start.

Nelson - "duped into thinking he might get a fair shot." He got a fair shot. Who says he should have been handed it without competition? If he got shafted do you seriously think Ballenger stays after his red shirt year?

Ballenger - "will never play meaningful minutes" He is a red shirt freshman and already has played more minutes than most red shirt freshmen have in the country. He has played more than Nelson. He is the top backup. If/when the kid develops into a starter, he will get his due. You have never played meaningful minutes though.

Hansen - "will transfer next year" - Yeah he along with DS. In fact the entire team is getting ready to mass transfer to Nebraska because they want the winning program. Good one. Hansen is sitting in the driver's seat of his own career. If he is as good as some fans say he is, then he has a real shot to leap frog to the top of the charts next spring. He is a red shirt freshman this year. So no, he won't be playing this year, and I seriously doubt he would want to be behind a patchwork line and burn a year of eligibility.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 16, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

KU and MU both play by the same ncaa rules that CU does, same number of scholarships that CU does, And they have coaches that have been there recruiting for years and years longer than Hawk. So I'm not shocked they are having a good run. and did you see those $40million practice fields at Lawrence, niiiiiiice...... as long as CU fans and facilities are last in the Big-12, you can't expect anything better from the team

and vkscranton - you're not suffering through anything, we're suffering reading your drivel

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 16, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hear Hansen is a smart Vince Young

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 16, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When a coach makes his son the starting QB there's a presumption created in the public's mind that he is doing so because of nepotism.

That presumption can, however, be rebutted:

If the son has the typical attributes of a QB, say he's a Josh Freeman (6'6" - 250 - big arm - quick feet) then the presumption in favor of nepotism becomes a 50/50 proposition and most reasonable fans are willing to wait and see. But, as in the case of Cody, where he is far below average in size, speed, and arm strength, the presumption remains in effect and it's up to Cody to rebut the presumption another way.

The second way he can rebut the presumption is that he can play well. Unfortunately, for Cody he has not played well (even though the offense was changed in order to avoid exposing his weaknesses). In fact, Cody has played very poorly by any objective standard. His safety against KU capped off the poor play by making him look ridiculous at the QB position. The lack of poise was simply startling.

Thus, the presumption remains in effect. It has not been rebutted. Cody only plays because his father is the coach.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 16, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

whos - you're right on around here, but what's your beef with abo's serving beer until 2am? that's whacked. i see similar problems with the hill business district and the buff football team.

no real leadership - the city council (hawk and coaches) talk a good game but we don't need another sub shop and vacancy (excuses and losses).

at least the sink is still around for us long time fans and hill residents.

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 16, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Since daddy has no credibility here, he spews this drivel about "perception" and "presumption", all of which has not been expressed by the majority of Buffs fans here. These are solely his delusions, nobody else's. The consensus has been that Cody earned the job and at this time, is the best option they've got.BTW daddy, did you read the snipit from Rivals I posted above? Make sure you do because it blows your entire theory out of the water. Typical QB is 6'6"/250 Lbs? LOL. Where do you hatch this laughable nonsense? BTW, Colorado's first two verbals this recruting cycle were QB's, but than you already knew that.

Posted by BuffTime on October 16, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Whos, I have no problem with people you are questioning Cody's play this season. But the vast majority are not saying he is the started because daddy is he coach. You can't possibly say that you are basing your rants on these past few games! You've been haranguing him since day 1! Look at your flipping ID for pete's sake!

Posted by nepabuff on October 16, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dizon speaks for the world...

and is a supporter of the 10 rebuilding plan.

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 16, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fish...what's your "excuse" for EXPECTING this team to beat the #1 team in the country? what's your "excuse" for EXPECTING this team to beat the #15 team in the country, at their place, where they've got a 13 game winning streak in place. If you didn't notice, Kansas is now 16-2 the past two seasons, losing by 8 to Mizzu in `07 and by 3 to #20 South Florida on the road this year. What's your "excuse" for EXPECTING this team to beat Florida State on the road, who's currently sitting in the #28 spot in the Coaches Poll? I know, I know, you've been attending games for 26 years and you just want more from your Buffs, right? Regardless of who and where they're playing. I'm repeating myself, but Pinkel had 3 losing seasons in his first 4 at Mizzu. Mangino was 10 games under .500 prior to 2007. Gundy was 18-19 at Oklahoma State. It's not an excuse that a young, injury depeleted OLine has struggled against their best competition this year (10 of 14 sacks allowed in the last 3 games), it's reality. Since according to you, there's no leadership, are you suggesting starting over with a new staff? Someone that can beat a #1 team with Frosh and Sophs at key positions? I guess I expect there will be some losses against top tier programs right now, but will continue to believe, like the admins do, that that won't always be the case in the near future.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 16, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BT - The coach/son relationship is the first thing people mention when I talk to them about CU football. But we just have to agree to disagree about that, maybe the folks you talk to don't see it as a problem.

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 16, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey nepa, since I've got you here (where else would you be?), what's your take on the comments from Rivals? You know, these:If Cody Hawkins' last name was Smith, would he still be the Buffaloes’ starting quarterback? The answer is yes. He has received no favors because he is the son of the head coach.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 16, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

FHS - I just think there's too much alcohol consumption on the Hill. It creates some very violent situations. It's sort of the same reason beer was banned at Folsom (and now Coors Events Center). Too many idiots spoiling the fun for everyone else.

Posted by nepabuff on October 16, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well Dizon, my take on that "If Cody's last name was Smith, would he be a starter"?

Let's go back to 2006, more than likely White would have been the starter for 2 seasons grooming the way for Ballenger to step in this season with a fair competition with Hawkins and Nelson for the starting spot.

Letting the OC make a totally objective decision I believe Ballenger would be the starter and CU would be running the spread to equalize their short comings the way a lot of other teams now do.

I see 'Smith" as competing for the #2 spot with Nelson.

Posted by nepabuff on October 16, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Also, CU never recruited Cody until his Dad got the job.

Something to think about.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 16, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's the difference between subjective and objective sports. It this were golf, track, swimming, etc., who the coach is wouldn't matter. If Cody shot the lowest score on the golf course he would be the number 1 player on the team. End of story.

The problem arises because choosing a football QB is a subjective decision. Of course, you can use some of the objective factors mentioned previously to project success (size, speed, arm strength) but ultimately it's just the subjective opinion of the coach that counts.

So the question becomes how objective can the coach be in a subjective decision about his own son?

To me, and at least a few others, Hawk failed that test and allowed his hopes for his son to cloud his judgment.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 16, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whos - 19 year olds will act like 19 year olds. it's not the booze being sold at licensed establishments that's the problem. it's mass consumption at keggers and from older guys buying quantity en masse for younger folk.

i hope the offense shows some progress this week, can control the clock a bit better, and keep ksu's o off of the field. otherwise, i think our d is in for a long, long game.

Posted by BuffTime on October 16, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In case you hadn't figured it out, it is not Hawkins who chooses the starting quarterback. But I guess you wouldn't believe that because it doesn't fit into your conspiracy theory.

The person you should be ticked off at is White. By your own admission his quitting on the team is what has set things back at QB. I agree, but I am not being petty about it.

Golf, tennis, swimming, and track are all individual sports. There is no leadership element. And as for your "size, speed, arm strength" criteria, I suggest you take a look at the top recruits on either Rivals or Scout. Sort by those factors and you will see that it does not sort by rankings in order of "size, speed, arm strength". There are big guys who are low ranked and there are fast guys that are low ranked, etc. and by your definition several top QBs are benefiting from some sort of unfair bias because they are not all fast, big and with guns for arms. Reesing, and Daniels come to mind for instance...

There is a reason you play all of the games. There is a reason there are upsets every single weekend. Because stats like the ones you love are meaningless and only the play on the field is what counts.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 16, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

.....and only the play on the field is what counts....

BT exactly. Still waiting. This weekend eh?

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 16, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We all loved the movie "Rudy" but this isn't Rudy. This is a kid who has had all the advantages and special treatment that his dad could give him. The skids have been greased for Cody and lots of better-qualified and more deserving kids have been run over in the process.

And, no I don't believe the OC made the QB decision. If Hawk had admitted to making that decision they would have violated CU's anti-nepotisn rule.

And finally, if Cody had Reesing or Daniels' arm we wouldn't be having this conversation, but Cody can't come close to making the throws those guys can.

We definately agree that there is more to playing QB than objective factors but it wouldn't hurt Cody if he had some subjective factors as well.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 16, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

your rant is stale, come back when you at least have some new angle to it

Posted by BuffTime on October 16, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vk, as I stated, I have no problem with people talking about Cody's play this season and debating whether we should put Ballenger in. That's football talk.

The issue with Whos and nepa is that they never gave it a chance and try to spin in the nepotism thing.

Whos, you mentioned that "everyone" you talk to about CU football mentions the "Cody is the coach's son". Really? Do you start conversations with them by saying your name is "whosyourdaddy" and they already know your agenda?

No one, I repeat, no one I have ever had a conversation about CU football with outside of this forum has ever mentioned that CU's starting QB is only playing because his daddy's head coach.

I've talked about it with Neraska fans, Michigan fans, Ohio State fans, even CSU fans. None talk about it. They talk about the play of the offense in general and on occasion specifically about Cody's performance (mostly about how he is in a slump) but they never say anything remotely connected to his parentage as being a factor.

Maybe I am the only one they don't talk about this with. Anyone else here (other than nepa) been getting any flack about Cody only starting because his dad is the head coach?

Posted by Buffs055 on October 16, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The O line is patchwork and definitely young and inexperienced. That being said, Cody needs to pull his skirt up and perform. His reputation is that he lacks tremendous athletic ability, but is intelligent behind center. He played that way last year, but not this year. If I was a defensive line coach playing against Cody, I would blitz constantly. He has very limited ability to read a blitz and has shown poor decision making in simply getting rid of the ball when he's in trouble. (i.e, last week's safety was right out of Pop Warner ball) Tyler Hansen appears to be the long term answer when his red shirt is lifted, but I don't see Hansen, Ballenger or anyone else getting a chance until Cody has graduated. I'm not buying the company line that the father/son issue isn't a factor here.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 16, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you're in the minority around here buffs055. be careful - you might offend some of these week kneed rah rah sis boom bah cheerleaders.

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 16, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Big surprise, daddy doesn't believe Helfrich had a say in who QB's the team! what a shocker! geez, after all, he's only the OC and QB Coach...as flyer says, the whos/nepa act is sooooooooooooooo stale. And most importantly, baseless. Here are Brian White's career stats, Cody threw for more yards in one season than this guy did at the Bowl Subdivision level...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/... ... But we all know, daddy's in love with a QB standing 6'5" tall, makes the guy drool...

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 16, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dizon - you just keep feeding the flame of a point that has no basis in substantiation. No none can really know if there is bias, though it is reasonable to believe that bias exists.

what are facts include: cody is short for a DI qb, he has a weak arm and is slow, his dad is head coach and has the final word on team decisions, the buff o is at the bottom of the conference.

can you honestly say that you are pleased with cody's and the o's performance this year?

and if not, how would you change it? give it more time?

Posted by BuffTime on October 16, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fish, you dilute your valid points by continuing to support whos and nepa. I don't think it is reasonable to believe that bias towards Cody is the reason he is the starter. Simple and obvious facts (versus the opinion so often put forth as facts by whos and nepa). Facts like CU has only lost one coach in 2 years. These guys already have to deal with no long term contracts and being under paid. Their careers depend on the W/L outcome of the teams they work for as well as the performance of their specific units. Do you seriously think that they (all of them excluding Hawk himself) would put their own careers in jeopardy just so the boss's kid can play Div. 1 football?

Ballenger saw what went on in practices last year while he redshirted. If he thought that Nelson got the shaft and that Cody only started since he was Hawk's kid, do you seriously think he would sacrifice his playing career to stay at CU?

If you don't want to believe that Dan Hawkins can't be objective, then look at those around him that also have a lot at stake. They are sticking with CU and if the case was as whos and nepa made it out to be then at least some of them would have bailed. Wouldn't they?

As I said fish, we don't agree on everything but you make your valid comments become less palatable when you back whos and nepa. They have offered no objective reason in almost 3 years now of why we should believe them. All they do is make baseless claims against Hawk, Cody and the team.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 16, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We are just living on different planets. No one has mentioned that Cody is the son of the head coach to you? The TV announcers can't seem to stop talking about it. Mark Kizsla has written about it. Netbuffs has nothing but this topic. It is the topic of conversation at the Buff Club meetings and at the Buff Stampede. South Park has done a parody on the topic. Every school kid in Boulder roots against Cody because they have all seen the same thing in youth sports. But no one has mentioned it to you?

Posted by extrapoint on October 16, 2008 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gimme a break fish
badmouthing is the easy way out
when the going gets tough, the tough become cheerleaders.

Posted by moet on October 16, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I, too, think Cody needs to step up and start playing in a more smart and confident way. I agree that running backwards 12-16 yards into the end zone was one of the most irritating things I've seen in a while from a CU QB. Definitely, some wood to chop. I'm ready to see them give Ballenger more time on the field.

But enough of the nepotism & height references. It's old and stale now. Until you repetitive naysayers can point to a practice, scrimmage or series of plays in a game where another QB legitimately showed they played better than the starter, moaning about a future nobody can see where nobody else gets a chance is futile whining. I have no allegiance to Cody, I've been to many of the scrimmages, practices & games, and nothing I've seen in person shows me that any favoritism is going on. Can you say the same?

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 16, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Times-Call did their midseason report this week and they gave the CU pass offense an "F" because Cody has looked so bad and played so poorly.

The fans at Folsom are openly booing Cody. On TV, in the newspapers, and on the internet, they are ridiculing the poor kid.

If Cody throws a pick, misses a wide open receiver, runs backward into his endzone, or throws a three yard pass on 3rd and 10 against this weak KSU defense it's really going to get ugly at Folsom this Saturday.

I just don't understand why his father would put him through this when he apparently could have suited up in Boise?

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 17, 2008 at 12:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

daddy...don't you worry about "poor" Cody, he's tougher than you'll ever be...he dismisses you Folsom boo-birds because he says at least they're "invested" in the program...he handles his adversity in a mature manner, perhaps you could take lessons...anyone that obsesses over his family like you do, clearly needs to grow up...and get a life...

Posted by vkberlinn on October 17, 2008 at 5:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

moet

reverse it.

It has been and is this weekend the offense in total, the OC and his play calling, and Cody and his forced and unforced errors.

Nothing to lose by replacing cody now.

Posted by extrapoint on October 17, 2008 at 6:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"I just don't understand why his father would put him through this when he apparently could have suited up in Boise??"
Posted by WhosYourDaddy

Isnt Boise ranked in the teens?

might help to think a little more before you make your next slam

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 17, 2008 at 8:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

EP - Might help if you think! I didn't say Cody could "play" at Boise, but I think Peterson would let him suit-up just like he's letting Hawk's other son Drew suit-up. It's favor to Dan.

As a practical matter, if you've watched Boise play, they have a kid at QB who can really throw a football. No chance in the world Cody could beat him out in a fair competition.

Posted by buffalobilly on October 17, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Again, just watch the damn game! Again, you are hashing over things that have already occurred. Take it for what its worth. If you were paid to spout off, with just a little validity,whos your daddy, maybe you could buy a beer at the Sink. We will soon be parading the next generation of would be recruits to the media and all of this negative crap can't help. Hopefully they don't know about the DC. I would be very leery of coming to a school loaded with so many outhouse critics and naysayers.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 17, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Billy - There's really simple solution. Get Cody onto the sidelines (or into the stands) where an athlete of his caliber belongs and let a real athlete have a shot at playing.

Posted by buffalobilly on October 17, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Im not sure we have an athlete to suit your wants and needs Who. My point is, Dan is getting the buks to make the choices, re